Text 13603, 124 rader
Skriven 2005-06-14 07:02:29 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
  Kommentar till text 13586 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Hatred
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13 Jun 05 19:22, LEE LOFASO wrote to ED HULETT:

 LL> Hello Ed,

 >>GB>His working with us during WWII against the Chinese, his 
 >>GB>approaching Claire Chenault who time and again tried to get the US 
 >>GB>to back Ho against the French trying to re-establish their colonial 
 >>GB>empire. His desire to emulate the US at that time and establish a 
 >>GB>democracy.

 EH>>We didn't fight the Chinese in WWII.

 LL> We fought the Chinese in the Korean conflict.

So what?  We're not talking about Korea, are we?

 EH>>They were our ally.

 LL> The pre-Communist regime was our ally in China during WWII.
 LL> During the Korean conflict, the Communist regime ruled China,
 LL> meaning China was our enemy.

You really ought to stay out of it, Lee.  You don't know what the hell you're
talking about.

 EH>>We helped the Chinese against Japan.

 LL> We helped the pre-Communist regime in China during WWII.
 LL> Not Mao Tse-Tung and the pro-Communist rebels.

We supported the Nationalists and Chiang Kai Shek, but most of the communists
also fought the Japanese and got aid from us to do so.

 EH>>Remember the Flying Tigers?

 LL> Remember the Rape of Nanking?  What did we do to help the Chinese
 LL> people then?  Did we prevent the Japanese from raping Chinese women?

You're an idiot.  The Rape of Nanking happened long before we got involved in
China.  1937-38 to be exact.  3-4 years before we were dragged into the war at
Pearl Harbor.  Just how were we supposed to prevent that?  Hmmm?  Or are you
claiming that its our fault too?


 LL> Did we prevent the Japanese from murdering innocent civilians?  
 LL> Nah. We had more important things to do.

You imbecile.

 EH>>France was our ally as well, before AND after WWII. He might have
 EH>>put on air that his intent was to establish a democracy, but his
 EH>>actions were those of a tyrrant.

 LL> France was not exactly helpful in rooting out the Nazis.  About 
 LL> the only truly patriotic Frenchman that existed was Charles de Gaulle.
 LL> Everybody else preferred not to rock the boat, knowing what would
 LL> happen to them if they opposed Nazi presence.  In fact, many of
 LL> the French openly supported the Nazis.  Including working in 
 LL> German factories, making munitions for the German military.  And don't
 LL> forget the Vichy government, which was so helpful to Adolf Hitler.

 >>GB>We backed Saddam, Ed, is he any more cuddly than Ho?

 EH>>We did NOT back Saddam. We gave him intelligence only.

 LL> As well as tons of WMD.

Oh, shut up, Lee.  You've had this claim shoved up your ass so many times I've
lost count.

 >>GB>Ho started to allow/authorize his own people to be murdered in 
 >>GB>"the cause", among a great many other evils.

 EH>>Ho didn't have "his own people." He was a tyrrant and a dictator.
 EH>>He lead by fear of death.

 LL> Ho Chi Minh was a tryrant.  But he was also patriotic to the
 LL> Vietnamese people.  Of course, like all tyrants, one had to stroke
 LL> his ego in order to gain favors.  Kind of like what one has to do
 LL> in order to gain favors from our very own dictator.

Traitor.

 >>GB>But at one time, early on, it was different. Ho, at the time he 
 >>GB>was dealing with Claire Chenault, fully expected the US to back a 
 >>GB>democracy movement.

 EH>>So, you are saying that since we turned him down he became a commie
 EH>>over night.  ROFL!

 LL> Ho Chi Minh sought to undermine U.S. resolve.  And his ploy 
 LL> worked.

Only because we had lily-livered cowards like you back here laying groundwork
for the North Vietnamese.


 >>GB>Then the Cold War set in.

 EH>>Which had nothing to do with our decision to not back Ho.

 LL> Actually, it did.  Truman was the first president to send in U.S.
 LL> advisors to Vietnam, a direct response to communist actions in 
 LL> that area.

Wrong again.  Eisenhower sent the first official advisors.

 >>GB>Things changed for everyone.

 EH>>Uh huh. You can delude yourself that Ho was a pro-democracy "George
 EH>>Washington of Vietnam, but it isn't based on the truth.

 LL> Ho Chi Minh understood the value of propaganda.  And he used it 
 LL> well. And wisely.  To the benefit of his communist movement, of course.

That's the only thing you said that's not an outright lie.

John 

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