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Skriven 2005-06-14 19:26:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN HULL
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Hello John,

>GB>His working with us during WWII against the Chinese, his
>GB>approaching Claire Chenault who time and again tried to get the US
>GB>to back Ho against the French trying to re-establish their colonial
>GB>empire. His desire to emulate the US at that time and establish a
>GB>democracy.

>EH>We didn't fight the Chinese in WWII.

>LL>We fought the Chinese in the Korean conflict.

JH>So what?  We're not talking about Korea, are we?

Korea was once part of China.

>EH>They were our ally.

>LL>The pre-Communist regime was our ally in China during WWII.
>LL>During the Korean conflict, the Communist regime ruled China,
>LL>meaning China was our enemy.

JH>You really ought to stay out of it, Lee.  You don't know what
JH>the hell you're talking about.

Mao Tse-Tung was no capitalist.  But he was a fairly good poet.

>EH>We helped the Chinese against Japan.

>LL>We helped the pre-Communist regime in China during WWII.
>LL>Not Mao Tse-Tung and the pro-Communist rebels.

JH>We supported the Nationalists and Chiang Kai Shek, but most
JH>of the communists also fought the Japanese and got aid from us
JH>to do so.

Most of the communists withdrew from the conflict, just trying to
survive.  In fact, most Chinese, regardless of ideology, simply tried
to survive.

>EH>Remember the Flying Tigers?

>LL>Remember the Rape of Nanking?  What did we do to help the Chinese
>LL>people then?  Did we prevent the Japanese from raping Chinese women?

JH>You're an idiot.  The Rape of Nanking happened long before we got involved i
JH>China.  1937-38 to be exact.  3-4 years before we were dragged into the war
JH>Pearl Harbor.  Just how were we supposed to prevent that?  Hmmm?  Or are you
JH>claiming that its our fault too?

The policies of successive Republican administrations (1921-1933)
led to the eventual Japanese aggression of WWII, including the Japanese
attack on Pearl Harbor.

>LL>Did we prevent the Japanese from murdering innocent civilians?
>LL>Nah. We had more important things to do.

JH>You imbecile.

How much of Japanese history do you know or understand?  Very
little, based on what you have said in this echo.  And your knowledge
and understanding of American history is not much better.

>EH>France was our ally as well, before AND after WWII. He might have
>EH>put on air that his intent was to establish a democracy, but his
>EH>actions were those of a tyrrant.

>LL>France was not exactly helpful in rooting out the Nazis.  About
>LL>the only truly patriotic Frenchman that existed was Charles de Gaulle.
>LL>Everybody else preferred not to rock the boat, knowing what would
>LL>happen to them if they opposed Nazi presence.  In fact, many of
>LL>the French openly supported the Nazis.  Including working in
>LL>German factories, making munitions for the German military.  And don't
>LL>forget the Vichy government, which was so helpful to Adolf Hitler.

>GB>We backed Saddam, Ed, is he any more cuddly than Ho?

>EH>We did NOT back Saddam. We gave him intelligence only.

>LL>As well as tons of WMD.

JH>Oh, shut up, Lee.  You've had this claim shoved up your ass
JH>so many times I've lost count.

Remember that meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld?  The two of them
actually shook hands, and sat down together, making a deal.  Of course,
that was back in the good 'ol days, when Iraq and Iran were having at
it.

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