Text 13663, 65 rader
Skriven 2005-06-20 23:43:16 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
  Kommentar till text 13662 av Jeff Binkley (1:226/600)
Ärende: KEEP THE PATRIOT ACT
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20 Jun 05 22:31, Jeff Binkley wrote to John Hull:

 JH>> GB>>> messengers, you will probably be safe from their sniffing.

 JH>> EH>> At least that's the idea. There are other ways of getting 
 JH>> EH>> into your system without your knowledge.

 JH>> GB>>> But what average user will know to do even a small part of 
 JH>> GB>>> it?

 JH>> EH>> The average user has nothing to worry about. The average user 
 JH>> EH>> isn't likely to be a terrorist.

 JH>> JM> While it may not be feasible now, how long before it is?
 JH>> JM> The fact that someone in the government thinks it would be a
 JH>> JM> good  idea to keep tabs on virtually every thing you do, every
 JH>> JM> banking   transaction, every URL you look at, all on the 
 JH>> JM> outside chance that it  might be helpful to some LEA, should 
 JH>> JM> scare the hell out of anyone that  values their privacy and 
 JH>> JM> freedom.

 JH>>The sad fact is that we lost any real privacy long act.  Sure, on 
 JH>>the surface, day-to-day between one citizen and another, it works.  
 JH>>But, the feds have been able to monitor damn near everything we do 
 JH>>for years.

 JB> Of course what liberals forget is that their seat belt, anti-smoking and 
 JB> many other personal behavior laws are huge invasions of our freedoms and 
 JB> privacy.  They don't seem to mind them, when they fit their agendas.


People accept what they've been conditioned to accept.  That's part of the
dirty little secret the liberals don't want anybody to glom onto.  You start
out by preying on people's fears, getting them to start looking over their
shoulders for shadows.  Then, when you've got them all jumpy and worried, you
start telling them you're going to fix everything.  You coax them into passing
a few local laws, and get people elected, and before you know it, you've got
control of the government, and everybody is dependent on you for everything
they think is important, from cradle to grave.  Once you get to that point, you
can sell 'em anything, tax the shit out of them to pay for it, and make 'em
think its all necessary.  And they'll even thank you for it.

We've only been out of a 50 year cycle of that crap since 94.  It takes a long
time to undo the damage done by a welfare state mentality, and sometimes the
pendulum swings too far back the other way in compensation.  The trick is to
stop it swinging altogether, and that's a tough job.

Ideally, we want to try to balance the natural need of people to want to be
protected and cared for like when we were kids, with standing on our own hind
legs and telling everybody, including the government, we'd rather do it
ourselves.  On balance, the Constitution does a pretty good job of balancing
things in my opinion.  That's what we need to try to get back to when it comes
to making laws.  There would be a hell of a lot of things run differently that
we take for granted, or rather accept, if the first rule of any law - does it
follow the Constitution - was strictly enforced.  I think we'd all be a lot
better off for it, too.


John 

America:  First, Last, and Always!
LIBERALS AND DOGS KEEP OFF THE GRASS!

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