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Skriven 2005-07-01 10:03:08 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
     Kommentar till en text av Alan Hess
Ärende: Re: Durbin
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30 Jun 05 14:59, Alan Hess wrote to Ed Connell:

 AH> Whilst masticating on <Jun 28 05>, Ed Connell (1:379/1.6)
 AH> wrote to Alan Hess:

 AH>>> He's a politician.  We saw over the top rhetoric by conservative
 AH>>> politicians during the Schiavo issue.  It's what politicians do 
 AH>>> when they're trying to get their diatribe on the news and in the 
 AH>>> paper - overreach for emphasis.

 EC>> But as the number two Democrat in the Senate, Durbin was still 
 EC>> obligated to consider the effect of his words on our nation and 
 EC>> the men and women who protect us.  This he clearly did not do.  
 EC>> The support he got from other Democrats, after the fact, was 
 EC>> particularly shameful as well as Durbin's (non-)appology.

 AH> You're right on that count.  He also should have considered how 
 AH> his words could be spun, and should have known that using the 
 AH> examples that he did were guaranteed to be grabbed by the 
 AH> spinmeisters.  I can defend the point he was trying to make, but 
 AH> not the rhetoric he used to try and make it.  Plain stupid, he 
 AH> was.

He apologized because he was getting too much heat from people back here in
Illinois.  Millions of Illinois citizens called his offices and complained,
myself included, and sent emails demanding his resignation, etc.  It took me
nearly all day to get through on the phone because it was so clogged with
people trying to register their anger.  He knew the jig was up when Mayor Daley
dressed him down.  He cost himself big time over this thing.

But make no mistake about it.  He meant exactly what he said, and if the heat
hadn't gotten turned up so high, he would never have apologized.

 AH>>> off by saying our actions aren't as bad as so-and-so's, so 
 AH>>> they're okay.  Sure, the tortures in our prisons haven't been as 
 AH>>> bad as tortures in Saddam's prisons, but they're still tortures, 
 AH>>> and we simply aren't supposed to be torturing people (or sending 
 AH>>> them out to be tortured elsewhere), however bad they may be.  
 AH>>> America is supposed to have standards, and torture of any kind 
 AH>>> doesn't fit them.

For the last time, there IS NO TORTURE GOING ON IN OUR PRISONS, and Sakowski
calling me names and saying there is doesn't make it so.

 EC>> I've been thinking about this.  In the end, torture has become a 
 EC>> dumbed-down word.  It is now torture to subject someone to loud 
 EC>> rap music.  We clearly had a different standard when Clinton's 
 EC>> people were facing the Branch Davidians in Waco.  Even little 
 EC>> children were so tortured.  I just can't remember what the 
 EC>> liberal Democrats were saying about that.

 AH> I'm not talking about the rap music (though it is torture 
 AH> listening to that garbage for any length of time <grin>.)  I'm 
 AH> talking about the types of things that happened in Abu Ghraib, and 
 AH> things like the report in the e-mail to Durbin about handcuffing 
 AH> someone in a fetal position for 18-24 hours.  Those things go 
 AH> beyond regular interrogation.

Awwwww, poor wittle terrorists got all embarrassed because somebody made them
stand around with underwear on their head.  Those assholes should've been shot
outright instead of getting a cushy prison cell.

 EC>> When the Gonzalez kid was "captured" in Florida, the NBC 
 EC>> cameraman who was acting as pool coverage for the other media too 
 EC>> was incapacitated by being struck in the stomach with the butt of 
 EC>> a weapon by one of the goons.  This despite many comments by the 
 EC>> grandparents that the INS could have the kid if they were to drop 
 EC>> by some time.  Head goon, Janet Reno, had the gall to crow that 
 EC>> it was much better to have TV coverage of the whole incident.  I 
 EC>> thought we were better than that.  (sorry, my fingers just got 
 EC>> away from me <g>)

 AH> You're right that we should be better than that.

 AH>>> BTW, where's Vern been?  Haven't seen any posts from him lately. 
 AH>>>  Is he alright, do you know?  *adh*

 EC>> I too have been wondering.  He's prone to long hunting trips and 
 EC>> other excursions, so who knows.  I assume he is okay, and 
 EC>> certainly hope so too.

 AH> Maybe he's bagging some game for a July Fourth dinner.  :-)  *adh*

Vern is back.

John 

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