Text 13864, 58 rader
Skriven 2005-07-01 23:26:56 av Ed Connell (1:379/1.6)
  Kommentar till text 13847 av EARL CROASMUN (1:275/311)
Ärende: Re: Durbin
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Hey, EARL.

 EC> I'd call it an accusation by a lawyer who is filing a lawsuit.  You
 EC> could also post an article about OJ Simpson claiming that he was
 EC> innocent and that the police planted a bloody glove in his yard.  You
 EC> could also post articles about women claiming that Bill Clinton raped
 EC> them.  My guess is that you accept some accusations while rejecting
 EC> others.

 EC> This particular story looks like the guy got set up for a beating,
 EC> although it is hard to tell whether the guards were in on it or whether
 EC> they were set up too.  Either way, it could be the plot for a sequel to
 EC> the movie "A Few Good Men," with an officer setting up the guardsman
 EC> for a "Code Red."  And "red" was even worked in as a code word!

 EC> He was told to be "unruly" and the guards were told that he was a
 EC> terrorist who had just beaten a US guard.  One of the guards also says
 EC> that he was resisting their efforts to take him out of the cell.  From
 EC> the guards' perspective, they were trying to get control over a violent
 EC> and dangerous prisoner.  Do you really think there is some parallel
 EC> between this case and claims of torture of prisoners who are already
 EC> under control and incapacitated?  If you go to any US max security
 EC> prison and send in an Immediate Reaction Force to incapacitate a
 EC> dangerous prisoner who has just beaten a guard, it is entirely possible
 EC> that there will be a concussion or worse.

 EC> -> BTW Earl, I read that a congressman said that being forced into the
 EC> -> fetal position (as is done in GITMO) is not torture as the fetal
 EC> -> position is "comfortable" do you agree?

 EC> Being restrained in any position for an extended period of time is
 EC> obviously uncomfortable.  A fetal position would not be nearly as
 EC> uncomfortable than the British "wall standing" technique that was
 EC> determined by the European Court of Human Rights to not constitute
 EC> torture.  You did read my post, didn't you?  There was no sign that you
 EC> did, but you are passing this off as a "response" to what I said.

 EC> -> Is your concern about torture limited to the degree of torture?

 EC> Good grief, Bob, think about what you are saying.  Whether an action IS
 EC> torture or not is obviously a matter of degree.  You are trying to pass
 EC> off the playing of loud music as "torture."  If someone were subjected
 EC> to noise loud enough to cause serious pain or injury to the ear, I'd
 EC> agree.  Otherwise it is an irritation but not "torture."  Back in
 EC> junior high music class, I was forced to sit in one position for an
 EC> extended period of time, each day, listening to music, and the room
 EC> wasn't airconditioned!  I appreciate the fact that you feel I was
 EC> tortured, but I think that trivializes the concept and insults people
 EC> who have been victims of real torture.  Did you read the post about
 EC> Iraqi torture rooms?

Good answers.  Nothing for me to add.




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