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Skriven 2005-11-19 08:09:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av EARL CROASMUN
Ärende: Truth or consequences
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On 11-18-05, EARL CROASMUN said to BOB SAKOWSKI:


-> Dick Cheney, 11/16/05:
-> And the suggestion [that] any member of this Administration purposely
-> misled the American people on pre-war intelligence is one of the most
-> dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired in this city.


-> Dick Cheney, 3/16/03:
-> And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.



EC>I realize, Bob, that you rarely engage in dialogue and that you rarely
EC>even seem to read what others say.  But it is ironic that your use of
EC>the 2003 quote is EVIDENCE that what he said in 2005 is correct.
EC>Throughout that "Meet the Press" interview, he talked about Iraq
EC>reconstituting its nuclear weapons PROGRAM and that it is only a matter
EC>of time before he HAS nuclear weapons.  If you have to quote him out of
EC>context to try to make your point, that seems to make his point on
EC>dishonesty right there.





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(This Patriot Action Alert concerns the TRUTH about Iraq's
WMD. Please forward this message to your list!)


On the heels of the "White House -- CIA leak" investigation,
which concluded that no laws were broken (but charged one
administration staffer with perjury), liberals are
attempting to parlay that non-starter into a much bigger political
brawl.


Their charges have no substance, and are completely contrived to keep
Republicans off balance through next year's midterm elections.


Sens. Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and Dick Durbin have accused
President George Bush of lying about Iraq's Weapons of Mass
Destruction, insisting he "lied us into war." They are even
floating the suggestion that he be impeached.


Here are their accusations:


"The Bush administration misrepresented and distorted the
intelligence to justify a war that America should never have
fought." --Ted Kennedy


"We all know the Vice President's office was the nerve
center of an operation designed to sell the war and discredit those
who challenged it. ... The manipulation of intelligence to
sell the war in Iraq...the Vice President is behind that."
--Harry Reid


"I seconded the motion Sen. Harry Reid made last week.
Republicans in Congress have refused, despite repeated
promises, to investigate the Bush administration's misuse of
pre-war intelligence, so Senate Democrats are standing up
and demanding the truth." -- Dick Durbin, who recently compared
U.S. troops to the Nazis and Pol Pot.


Naturally, the Democrat's media lemmings are reporting these
charges as de facto truth, but there is considerable
evidence that these Demo-gogues and their colleagues believed Iraq
had WMD long before President George Bush came to Washington.


Here is a small sample of that evidence from the Clinton years:


Bill Clinton: "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use
force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish
the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State: "We must
stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."


Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Advisor and
Classified Document Thief: "[Saddam will] use those weapons of mass
destruction again as he has ten times since 1983."


Harry Reid: "The problem is not nuclear testing; it is
nuclear weapons. ... The number of Third World countries with
nuclear capabilities seems to grow daily. Saddam Hussein's near
success with developing a nuclear weapon should be an
eye-opener for us all."


Dick Durbin: "One of the most compelling threats we in this
country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass
destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the
possibility that...Iraq...may acquire or develop nuclear
weapons."


John Kerry: "If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a
threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."


John Edwards: "Serving on the Intelligence Committee and
seeing day after day, week after week, briefings on Saddam's
weapons of mass destruction and his plans on using those
weapons, he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons, it's
just that simple. The whole world changes if Saddam ever has
nuclear weapons."


Nancy Pelosi: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which
is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a
mockery of the weapons-inspection process."


Sens. Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein,
Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford
and Kerry in a letter to Bill Clinton: "We urge you, after
consulting with Congress and consistent with the U.S.


Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi
sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal
to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."


After President Bush was sworn into office in 2001, his
administration was handed eight years worth of intelligence
analysis and policy positions from the Clinton years -- you
know, the years of appeasement when Saddam was tolerated,
when opportunities to take out Osama bin Ladin were ignored, as
was the presence of an al-Qa'ida terrorist cell in the U.S. --
which reared its head on 9/11.


In the weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq, Democrats, who
had access to the same intelligence used by the Bush
administration (much of which was compiled under the Clinton
administration), were clear about the threat of Iraq's WMD
capability.


Ted Kennedy: "We have known for many years that Saddam
Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."


John Kerry: "I will be voting to give the president of the
U.S. the authority to use force if necessary to disarm
Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our
security. ... Without question we need to disarm Saddam
Hussein."


Hillary Clinton: "In the four years since the inspectors
left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to
rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His
missile-delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including
al-Qa'ida members. It is clear, however, that if left
unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will
keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."


Carl Levin: "We begin with a common belief that Saddam
Hussein...is building weapons of mass destruction and the
means of delivering them."


Al Gore: "We know that he has stored nuclear supplies,
secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his
country."


Bob Graham: "We are in possession of what I think to be
compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has and has had for
a number of years a developing capacity for the production and
storage of weapons of mass destruction."


For the record: Here's a partial list of what didn't make it
out of Iraq before the OIF invasion: 1.77 metric tons of
enriched uranium, 1,700 gallons of chemical-weapon agents,
chemical warheads containing the nerve agent cyclosarin,
radioactive materials in powdered form designed for
dispersal over population centers, artillery projectiles loaded with
binary chemical agents, etc. Assuming Irag had no WMD
because only small caches were recovered after Operation Iraqi
Freedom began is perilously flawed logic. That, in no way, affirms
what he spirited out through Iran and Syria before OIF.


So, ask Ted, Dick and Harry, what is their real agenda?
One might fairly conclude that they are willing to reduce
U.S. national security to political fodder by accusing the
President of the United States of "lying." Problem is, the
President had no political motive for Operation Iraqi
Freedom -- only a legitimate desire to fulfill the highest
obligation of his office -- to defend our liberty against all threats.


Ted, Dick and Harry, on the other hand, have plenty of
political motivation for their most recent antics -- and all
of America should look upon these disgraceful Demo-gogues,
and anyone who supports this dangerous folly, as traitorous
louts.


On Veterans Day, President Bush noted: "Today our nation
pays tribute to our veterans -- 25 million vets.... At this hour,
a new generation of Americans is defending our flag and our
freedom in the first war of this century. This war came to
our shores on the morning of September 11, 2001. ... We know
that they want to strike again and our nation has made a clear
choice. We will confront this mortal danger to all humanity.


We will not tire or rest until the War on Terror is won. ...
[I]t is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how
that war began. ... We will never back down. We will never
give in. We will never accept anything less than complete
victory."


"Deeply irresponsible"? He is too kind.


Founder's Quote: "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest
of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and
patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man
who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his
personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at
being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of
better men than himself." --John Stuart Mill


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