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Skriven 2005-11-23 13:12:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROSS CASSELL
Ärende: Republican post tunring
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 RC> You will find that the rabid lefto's are singlehandedly
 RC> trying to blame questionable intelligence on GWB, when in
 RC> fact our counterparts in the UK confirmed it and as far
 RC> back as 97-98, we had one Presidential Candidate speaking
 RC> of it as he addressed his colleagues in the US Senate.

 Going back 5 years before the war is a joke. Our counterparts in
 the UK claim to have confirmed it, but never revealed any of
 their supposedly confirming intel.

 It doesn't matter if every single leader of every single
 government on Earth agreed. What matters is, the inspections
 were being done, the facts were being found, and we could have
 found the truth without an invasion.

 Bush cut it off. Bush decided, unilaterally and arbitrarily,
 that we should invade with no legal authority, and, it appears,
 for the purpose of stopping the inspectors from finding the
 truth, that the WMDs did not exist.

 The Bush administration wanted a war. They did not care about
 WMDs, they did not care about 9-11, they did not care about
 truth. They wanted a war.

 And I believe Bush did not know what was going on. I believe
 Bush was manipulated by Rumsfeld/Cheney/Libby/Wolfowitz and the
 rest of the Neo-Con cabal.

 J>> ->  J> And the economy is going into the dumpster...
 J>> ->  J> ...part of a plan to starve the beast.

 J>> -> Oh really, prove it?

 J>> To your satisfaction? :-)

 J>> There's a mass if evidennce...

 RC> Consistent job growth the past couple years, only hindered
 RC> by the 'canes.

 Not really. The so called job growth is largely low level, part
 time, and eaten up by illegal immigration.

 RC> But please do post your evidence.

 J>> -> Remember we cant have another tech bubble/dot com boom, thats
 J>> already happened, -> er popped.

 J>> Say what?

 RC> I assume you want to reminisce<sp> about the economic boom
 RC> of the Clinton years and measure all economies to it, I
 RC> point out that we cant repeat those bubbles that had
 RC> already burst.

 Well, yeah, we could. However, the current debt fed growth will
 pop also.

 J>> ->  J> Congress is cutting...welfare, school funding, food stanps...
 J>> ->  J> and giving themselves a nice raise...

 J>> -> Well I can agree with you on them voting themselves any pay raise,
 J>> but welfare -> and foodstamps, are supposed to be a safety net, not a
 J>> hammock. -> True enough...it is line-drawing...at least you do seem to
 J>> accept the fact that there is a reason for a safty net :-)

 RC> Unfortunately, even with the reforms passed in the 90's,
 RC> there is no incentive for those on assistance to want to
 RC> get off of it.

 Before the Welfare deform acts 90% of those who went on welfare
 got off it on their own. It was a temporary support structure.

 It isn't the desire to get off that is lacking, but the means,
 for those who don't. The level of welfare support is low enough
 at it's best that a higher standard of living off welfare is
 enough motivation. The low level of the minimum wage and near
 minimum wage jobs makes that an untenable solution for families,
 esp without child care.

 RC> Unfortunately the left wing wants these
 RC> programs around so they can lock in a voter base who is
 RC> fool enough to believe they are being helped by the left.

 The democratic social welfare system has long been jobs based.
 The LBJ great society was a jobs based program. It has been
 under republicans that we have seen the growth of welfare as a
 support structure. It has been under republicans we have seen
 the jump in the rate of unwed motherhood. The republicans are
 the ones maintaining a poverty based system, which holds down
 the wages of the working population. They don't worry about a
 voter base because they know the welfare supported population
 has a low voting rate. Which makes your theory unsupportable.


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