Text 1761, 47 rader
Skriven 2004-09-04 11:08:04 av Gary Moore (1:396/45.0)
   Kommentar till text 1752 av Frank Scheidt (1:123/140)
Ärende: Rule of law?
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Hello Liar,

 GM> Let's revisit your claims about what some people love to do.
 FS>
 FS> It's obvious that someone must love to do something if he's willing
 FS> to climb trees to drive spikes into them.  That's not an action
 FS> anyone would do if he didn't really want to do it.

 GM> You claim that certain people love to drive spikes into trees.  You
 GM> argue they wouldn't do it if they didn't really want to do it.
 GM> Why do you believe they love to spike trees merely
 GM> because they do it?  Maybe they prefer not to spike trees.

 FS> Tree-spikers aren't *forced* to do it.  After all, they aren't in
 FS> the military where one is *forced* to follow orders.

 Barring government compulsion, men aren't *forced* to join the military.

 FS> However the tree-spikers under discussion *here* are private
 FS> citizens.  They are not forced to drive those spikes
 FS> hence they *obviously* want to do it.

 They want to do it just like the man who joins the service wants to do it.
 But wanting to join the service doesn't mean he loves to kill.  Nor does
 driving a spike into a tree mean that the person wants to kill, or even
 injure a person, as you have claimed.  Nor does *want* translate as *love*
 in this case, except in your perverted view.  You think about that, Mr.
 Scheidt.  Because you claim they *love* to drive spikes into trees.  And
 I say if they really care about trees, they probably would prefer not
 driving spikes into trees, just as you might say most men prefer not to
 kill other men.  Further, Mr. Scheidt, you claim "they" *love* to drive
 spikes into trees with the express purpose of injuring or, in your words,
 *better* - killing some guy at a saw mill.  You make this claim while
 attempting to smear all environmentalists.  I'll not attempt to defend an
 act of vandalism, but I think you should recognize that the expressed
 intentions of some of those tree spikers was to save old-growth forest.
 Not to injure or kill other people.  The immediate goal of driving spikes
 into trees was to damage equipment, and slow down or stop the foresting.
 So, Mr. Scheidt, your continued attempts to defend your portrayal of
 environmentalists as people who love to spike trees with the hope of
 injuring or better killing someone is dishonest.  It is a lie.  You are
 a liar.

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