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Skriven 2006-03-06 00:58:39 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 18099 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
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"LEE LOFASO -> ED HULETT" <1:123/140> wrote:

 LL> Hello Ed,

 TR>>> You know....some important questions come up in the `levee' situation
 TR>>> First....how many hurricanes or other situations that caused damage o
 TR>>> destruction of the levees, have happened in say..the last forty years
 EH>>> Most likely many times that we haven't heard of nationally.

 LL>>> Hurricane Betsy, in 1965.

 EH>> "[T]he last forty years..."

 LL> Since Hurricane Betsy (1965), at least six hurricanes have threatened
 LL> to hit New Orleans.  And then came Hurricane Cindy.  And Hurricane
 LL> Katrina.  And Hurricane Rita.  All in the same year of 2005, all making
 LL> landfall in Louisiana.  Hurricane Katrina was especially devastating
 LL> to the city of New Orleans.

Then why is it Bush's fault?

 LL>>> The Great Flood in 1927.

 EH>> 1927 was only forty years ago?

 LL> Hurricanes are always a threat to the Gulf Coast.  Every year.

 EH>>> Even the videos you refer to show that even the experts weren't sure
 EH>>> the levees would hold or not.

 LL>>> Everybody knew the levees would not hold.

 EH>> No, no one knew they "wouldn't" hold.

 LL> Only those who are mentally retarded.

The "expert" in those oh-so-incriminating videos said in his own words that
there was no way to know for sure if the levees would hold.

 EH>> Everyone was hopeful, but no one knew for sure.

 LL> Everybody knew that a direct hit on New Orleans would bring widespread
 LL> destruction, given that the levees could not withstand such a strong
 LL> storm as Hurricane Katrina.  Or rather the storm surge created by
 LL> Hurricane Katrina.

Then, why is it Bush's fault?

 TR>>> How many time in the past forty or fifty years have the levees given
 TR>>> or come close to doing so?
 EH>>> Several.
 LL>>> Hurricane Betsy, in 1965.
 LL>>> The Great Flood in 1927.

 EH>> "[P]ast forty to fifty years.

 LL> Each time a hurricane enters the Gulf of Mexico, the possibility
 LL> of a hurricane hitting New Orleans becomes very real.

The discussion only involved forty top fifty years. BTW, if it was so
obvious that the levees would fail. why didn't Nagin use every bus in New
Orleans to evacuate the people *BEFORE* Katrina made landfall?

 BS>>> I guess it all depends on the meaning of is, eh?
 TR>>> How many politicians who are in the U.S. House, or the U.S. Senate, h
 TR>>> been there during one or more `other' times the levees have over-flow
 TR>>> or were threatened with major damage?
 EH>>> Not many.
 LL>>> Senator Byrd is still around.

 EH>> Senator Byrd is in LA? What is a Senator from West Virginia doing down
 EH>> there?

 LL> The levees are always threatened when a hurricane enters the Gulf
 LL> of Mexico.

Why is a West Virginia Senator worried about the Gulf Coast?

And why is it somehoe Bush's fault?

 EH>> Was he in office in 1927?

 LL> Irrelevant.

No, quite relevant! If you'd follow the thread, you'd know why.

 EH>>> That would be your beloved Clinton.
 TR>>> How much taxpayer money has been appropriated `for' the levees, or
 TR>>> gi to Louisiana to repair and/or update the levees, but `didn't get
 TR>>> used that purpose'?
 EH>>> Billions?
 LL>>> New Orleans needs levees upgraded to Category 5 status.

 EH>> They were supposed to have been doing that already.

 LL> Without sufficient funds the Army Corpse of Engineers could do nothing.

It has been pointed out repeatedly that the Corpse of Engineers had plenty
of funding.

 LL>>> The Bush administration wants them upgraded only to Category 3 status.

 EH>> Cite please.

 LL> Oh, I'm sure the Bush administration would prefer not doing anything.

I knew you had nothing. We all know you hate Bush, so your opinion is
meaningless.

 BS>>> Easily the most cowardly, inept and corrupt man ever to hold ANY
 BS>>> office, let alone that of the presidency, ANYWHERE... EVER!
 TR>>> What did Louisiana `do' with that money? `Exactly' how much went into
 TR>>> updating the levees?
 EH>>> Build Casinos.
 LL>>> The state of Louisiana does not own any casinos.  It does collect
 LL>>> taxes from casinos.  But those casinos are not state-owned.  And those
 LL>>> casinos were not built by the state.

 EH>> The state subsidizes casinos by helping with the funding. They have
 LL> taken EH>money meant for upgrading the levees and used it to build resorts
 LL> in EH>conjunction with the casinos.

 LL> What kind of stuff are you smoking?  Whatever it is, it must be good.

I don't smoke anything. Besides, this isn't about me.

 EH>>> I hear a moonbat barking.
 TR>>> Since George W. Bush has only been president for five or six
 TR>>> years... some of these members of the Congress have been there for
 TR>>> four or fiv `times' that long.....why is there `still' a problem
 TR>>> with the levees?
 EH>>> Uh... Bush cut funding for upgrading them. Well, that's what the
 EH>>> moonbats claim.
 LL>>> Bush cut the amount of funding needed to maintain the levees, by
 LL>>> providing insufficient funds.

 EH>> Bush can't cut a dime from the budget. All he can do is sign the bill
 EH>> authorizing said budget, or veto it. Show me a budget that he vetoed.

 LL> The Congress appropriates funds.  However, the Bush administration
 LL> outlines, or proposes, the budget.  And since all three branches
 LL> of government are controlled by the GOP, the Bush administration
 LL> generally gets what it wants.  In the case of providing adequate
 LL> funding for the Army Corpse of Engineers, the Bush administration
 LL> has been extremely negligent.  As well as the Republican-dominated
 LL> Congress.

I see you don't have any evidence of this other than your loony opinions.

 TR>>> How does it suddenly become George W. Bush's fault that a dangerous
 TR>>> situation that has existed for many decades, and was `known' about fo
 TR>>> many decades, finally came to pass?
 EH>>> You're still drinking the kool-aid, Tim. Sakowski has told us all how
 EH>>> everything is Bush's fault by default.
 EH>>> "The MOST corrupt president EVER... *EVER*!!" -- Barking Moonbat
 EH>>> As well as the MOST INCOMPETENT president ever.

 EH>> Says, barking moonbat II.

 LL> August 28, 2005. Live video. Like a deer being caught in
 LL> the headlights, most INCOMPETENT president EVER. *EVER*!!

There are people in New Orleans who are *ACTUALLY* doing things to rebuild
the place who have stated otherwise.

Your moonbat rhetoric notwithstanding.

Ed

-- 
"Knowledge is proud that he has learned so much; Wisdom is humble that he
knows no more." William Cowper

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