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Skriven 2006-05-19 03:02:41 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Alan Hess
Ärende: Iraq news
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Alan Hess -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 AH> Whilst masticating on <May 17 06>, Gary Braswell (1:123/789)
 AH> wrote to BOB SAKOWSKI:

 GB>> The average suicide bomber? Nah. Those in command of him, the
 GB>> ones who make the plans, the ones who drum up the money, provide
 GB>> logistics and recruit new Jehaddis to the cause, you bet they do.

 AH> Note that they are never the ones who take action.

No tyrant/dictator/terrorist leader ever puts himself in harm's way when he can
coerce/brainwash/intimidate some idiot to do it for him.


 GB>> Read about OBL and his viewpoints and opinions based on what we
 GB>> did, think and talk about as a nation.

 AH> I did.

 GB>> Even recent letters from various terror leaders to each other
 GB>> show their demoralization or morale boosts by what is happening
 GB>> not only on the battlefield, but in the US.

 AH> Which does not mean we should give up our freedom to dissent.  Every
 AH> restriction on our freedom that comes from our government is a victory
 AH> for the "people" we're fighting.

Nobody said you should.  But there is a difference between proper dissent and
publicly attacking and interfering with our leaders, both civilian and
military, which has the effect of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  It
emboldens them, and stiffens their resolve to hold out for just a while longer
because they know that eventually we will quit and go home.  In addition, you
persist in viewing this as if it were a traditional military war between
nations.  It isn't, and never was. This is a guerrila war between terrorists in
many different countries and us.


 GB>> OBL's writings about the US are fascinating. Often wrong, but we
 GB>> have paid a large price for his being wrong.

 GB>> I harbor no illusions.

 GB>> While I believe this war was a mistake, we are in it now and we
 GB>> have to see it through for a variety of reasons.

 AH> Yes, we do, which is why I've never said we should cut and run.  I don't
 AH> like our boys and girls being hurt and killed in a war of choice, but we
 AH> started it, and we have to finish it and hope the results turn out well.


No, we didn't start it.  Osama bin Laden started it, long before 9/11. 9/11,
however, happened on the watch of someone who had the stones to do something
about it.  And we will finish it, in spite of the ones who want us to turn tail
and run.

 GB>> If we flee, the terrorists will declare a victory and we will be
 GB>> hounded by them for decades to come.

 AH> Which is what Hamas, et al claim when Israel withdrew from Gaza, and
 AH> plans to withdraw from most of the West Bank, yet our same leaders who
 AH> say the terrorists win if we leave Iraq support Israel's withdrawals.
 AH> Why is that?  Israel has lost a far greater percentage of her population
 AH> to terrorism than we have, and continues to lose people, and is a tiny
 AH> country surrounded by enemies, a country which could be destroyed by a
 AH> few nukes (unlike us, a large country bordered by two oceans), so why is
 AH> our advice to them, "Do as we say, not as we do?"

You can't see that there is a totally different dynamic at work in the
situation in Israel?  Israel had no choice but to vacate those areas. The only
way for them to put the Palestinians in a position to fish or cut bait was to
force them to function as a nation.  Now, if Hamas or whoever is in charge
can't control their people and the attacks on Israel continue, the Israelis
will have an legitimate ironclad reason to retake those areas and finish the
job.


 GB>> What got OBL to think a massive, bloody strike on US soil would
 GB>> cause us to withdraw from the middle east was our running out of
 GB>> Somalia when we got bloodied. OBL was convinced if he hit us
 GB>> once, bad, we would fold and flee.

 GB>> Since so few of the nations of the middle east are anything near
 GB>> a democracy, they are often ruled by monarchs or dictators and
 GB>> they are impressed with strength a ruthlessness.

 GB>> They believe in the Hamma Rule.

 AH> Yes.  Saddam kept Iraq under control because he was ruthless.  Nobody
 AH> denies that.

 GB>> The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will
 GB>> he ever receive either.

 GB>> Who said that?

 AH> Someone who would be shocked at the actions of our government today, and
 AH> the people's acceptance of it.  Benjamin Franklin.  And it's "liberty,"
 AH> not "freedom," in his quote.  *adh*


You really should read more about Doctor Franklin.  What's going on today
wouldn't surprise him at all.  He thoroughly understood the political ins and
outs of dealing with other governments, as well as our own.  Don't forget he
played the French (and the Brits) like a fiddle during the Revolutionary War. 
He was considered a dangerous man to cross.  He was also a rake of world class
renown, among other things.

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