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Skriven 2006-05-20 08:32:25 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 20249 av JOHNJWILSON (1:123/140)
Ärende: Iraq views, without clues...
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JOHNJWILSON -> JOHN HULL wrote:


 JW>>>>>> And more importsantly, do you believe that the expressing of
 JW>>>>>> opinons contrary to those held by you are
 JW>>>>>> a danger to our country?


 ->>>> There is a big difference between freedom of speech and and using
 J> the
 J>>> 1st
 ->>>> Amendment as a license to spread lies, disinformation, sedition,
 J> and
 J>>> other
 ->>>> "opinions" that are detrimental to this country, national security,
 J> and
 J>>> good
 ->>>> order and discipline.

 J> Are you volunteering to be the censor who will
 J> judge this?


 J>>> Which are not considered so by those who declaim. And so the
 J> question
 J>>> remains unanswered.


 ->> That isn't my problem.  The fact they can't see the damage they're doing
 J> is out
 ->> of my ability to fix.

 J> I thank God for THAT! :-)


 J>>> There's a lot of talk about 'supporting our troops':

 J>>> Sub standard body armour.
 J>>> The unarmored Humvees
 J>>> Why do you suppose conservatives are not up in arms about this?
 J>>> You are free to speak.
 J>>> As are those who speak of the catastrophic 'war' in  Iraq,
 J>>> the terrible mess of Abu Ghraib, the spying scandal, the Goddamn
 J>>> incompetance, the ignorance, the arragonce that has cost
 J>>> the Ubited States the respect of the world.


 ->> Bullshit.

 J> Nice cogent, reflective reply.

 J> You are saying 'bullshit' to a
 J> LOT of high-ranking military, members of congress on both sides of the
 J> isle.




 J>   The body armour they were issued was never intended to stop bomb
 ->> fragments.  It was designed for small arms projectiles, and its
 J> perfectly
 ->> adequate for that.  The roadside bombs are made from artillery shells
 J> and
 ->> similar devices.  Same thing applies to Hummers.

 J> Right. That what they were issued, that's what they had.
 J> 'Never intended.' That's some comfort.

 J>>> The best way it seems to counter these truths is to call those
 J>>> who make them, unAmerican, a detriment to our country, against our
 J> national
 J>>> security, et cetera...it appears that you would have freedon of
 J> speech
 J>>> as long as they follow YOUR guidelines.

 J>>> Now, for once in your life how about addressing the issues above.


 ->> Look in the mirror...

 J> Ah, so you won't. I suspected as much. Ok. Doesn't matter.


 J>   When you stop spouting the DNC line maybe we can discuss
 ->> things.

 J> Hello? You think what I wrote is the DNC line? :-)

 J> As far as discussing things, I find a slight disadvantage
 J> when communicating with someone who has written that liberals should be
 J> shot, and who thinks I am senile, and start the 'discussion' with
 J> "Bullshit" . :-)


When you stop spouting the DNC party line, and stop all the silliness that
makes you look like you ARE senile, then we can have a discussion.


 J> I admit you are an interesting read: what yer typical wild fanatic
 J> thinks...
 J> ..a person who cannot tell the difference between a conservative and a
 J> Republican

There is no difference between a conservative and the average, basic
Republican.  There are a number of people who *claim* to be Republicans, but
don't exhibit much of it in practice.  John McCain comes immediately to mind.


 J> Every once in a while you write something with which I agree.
 J> I note and comment here on those (rare) occasions.:-}

 J> You seem to think that those who hold opinions opposite to yours
 J> are enemies. That's a lot of the country.
 J> In my senile non-intellectual opinion, that is foolish if
 J> not un american. :-|


I don't care what your politics are.  If you propose/advocate/espouse a
position that is bad for the country, then you are the enemy, in particular
when it involves actions overseas.  And no, I don't consider the war OR Mr.
Bush bad for America.

 J> And I bet you think you are the quintessential patriot.

I'm no better and no worse than most in that regard.  If I were 35 years
younger, I'd be in Iraq right now.  Does that make me the "quintessential"
patriot?  Or it is because I hold the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, and
those who have given their lives for this country in deep regard, rather than
as tools of convenience to get power?

Is it because assholes like Harry Reid make me crazy when they say things like
those who want English as the official language of this country are racist?  Is
it because everybody who comes here illegally should be rounded up by whatever
means necessary and sent back?

You tell me, John, since you seem to have all the goddamn answers.

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