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Skriven 2006-07-17 19:48:37 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 21066 av BOB SAKOWSKI (1:123/140)
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BOB SAKOWSKI -> GARY BRASWELL wrote:
 -=>> GARY BRASWELL wrote to BOB SAKOWSKI <=-

 GB>> Terrorists operate in civilian areas. They often
 GB>> have training areas, headquarters, production
 GB>> facilities, etc.

 BS> The fact still remains Gary, that the military arm of Hezbollah
 BS> captured the Israeli GIs in a purely military operation.  They
 BS> did not kill innocent civilians, Israel in its totally
 BS> disproportioned response, did.

How do you hit terrorists that hide among innocent civilians?

 BS> That Israel had a right to respond is not in question.  It is
 BS> manner and intensity of the response which is.

Ok, you outline it for us.


 BS> FTR Gary, use of a disproportionate response, in a indiscriminate
 BS> manner is but one of many that are addressed by the Geneva Accords.

I am aware of that, but this house of cards you are putting together to justify
this as some violation of the accords is bogus.

 GB>> The person who wrote what is below is naive, uninformed,
 GB>> ignorant and an idealist,

 BS> Larry Johnson is:

 BS> Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC,
 BS> an international business-consulting firm that helps corporations
 BS> and governments manage threats posed by terrorism and money
 BS> laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in
 BS> scripting terrorism exercises, briefs foreign governments on
 BS> a regular basis on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover
 BS> investigations on product counterfeiting and smuggling.

The guy has impressive credentials.

I remember the guy after I read your litany of his jobs, etc.

I have read some of his work years ago after seeing him as one of the many
"experts" trotted out just after 9/11.

He has a fundamental flaw in his thinking about terrorism and as a result, he
got bit along with all the others when 9/11 came.

Johnson views terrorism as a purely tactical problem, not a strategic one, thus
his criticism for Israel's use of massive force.

Its true that much of terrorism had been dealt with with CTUs like the SAS,
GSG-9, etc in the past during the 70s and 80s and that they were mostly
controlled and sponsored by the USSR.

With the end of the cold war, Johnson's reasoning failed to change. He even
viewed state sponsored terrorism (the USSR) as not a strategic threat. It was
not under the USSR.

However with Libya, Iran and Syria, terrorism became means to strategic ends.
Especially with the advent of more powerful and simple-to-use weapon systems
that began to come online in the 80s and 90s with potential for more damage and
images being able to manipulate the media and governments. It became strategic.
With militaries unable to stand up to Western powers, terrorism became standard
policy.

Johnson wrote an article in 2001, Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist
Threat," New York Times.

"They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United
States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to
think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they
almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most
terrorism. None of these beliefs are based in fact."

A few months later we get hit with 9/11. Any attack that kills so many people
is not a tactical one, nor is a terrorist using or seeking WMD, a tactical
threat.

Johnson stands by his article even today stating he never said we should ignore
terrorism. He even mentioned in years past that OBL and Al Qaeda were the
premier threats in terrorism.

His major flaw is not dismissing terrorism, but diminishing it to something a
state should not have to worry about too much. Its a tactical thing. Send a
squad of the SAS in to root the roaches out and be done with it.

Its that kind of thinking that allowed terrorism to recover after the 70s and
we, the US made terrorism just a law enforcement issue to be dealt with.

Al Qeda grew because few took it seriously as any kind of a threat.

Hezbollah and Hamas are controlled by Iran and Syria. They use them as
instruments of policy. Not as small time harassment.

Terrorists hide and work among and behind innocent people.

Those innocents will die.

The terrorists bank on it, either by their hand or their enemey's hand.

When you come up with a plan to only kill terrorists, get back to me.

We will bring it before the world and rightfully so be considered heroes.



 BS> Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence
 BS> Agency and U.S. State Department?s Office of Counter Terrorism,
 BS> is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation
 BS> security, crisis and risk management.

 BS> Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of
 BS> media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public
 BS> Radio, ABC's Nightline, NBC's Today Show, the New York Times,
 BS> CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several
 BS> articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine,
 BS> the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured
 BS> on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including
 BS> the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole
 BS> Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S.
 BS> Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna,
 BS> Austria.

 BS>  From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy
 BS> Director in the U.S. State Department?s Office of Counter
 BS> Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist
 BS> incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct
 BS> the US Government?s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait
 BS> and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations
 BS> following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also
 BS> participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of
 BS> Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson?s leadership the U.S. airlines
 BS> and pilots agreed to match the US Government?s two million-dollar
 BS> reward.

 BS>  From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the
 BS> Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career,
 BS> he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the
 BS> Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA?s Operation?s
 BS> Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the
 BS> Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA
 BS> he received two Exceptional Performance Awards.

 BS> Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial
 BS> Security. He taught at The American University?s School of
 BS> International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D.
 BS> in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community
 BS> Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where
 BS> he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating
 BS> Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.
 BS> [end]

 BS> You should be so naive, uninformed, ignorant and idealistic.
 BS> .. Somewhere, The Founders weep at what America has come to.
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