Text 23050, 81 rader
Skriven 2006-09-30 01:02:46 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 23046 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Muslems
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:43:55 -0400
"Gary Braswell -> Ed Hulett" <glbras@infionline.net> wrote:

 GB> Ed Hulett -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 EH>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:31:23 -0400
 EH>> "Gary Braswell -> Ed Hulett" <glbras@infionline.net> wrote:

 GB>>> Ed Hulett -> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:

 EH>>>> Failing to act soon enough isn't the same as sponsoring the
 EH>>>> Holocaust. Until the Allies had over run many of the camps
 EH>>>> most outside the Nazi regime knew the extent of the
 EH>>>> Holocaust. Being ignorant of what was going on isn't
 EH>>>> sponsoring the death camps.

 GB>>> Actually, the British knew about the camps in 1941, before
 GB>>> even The Final Solution had been implemented as a matter of
 GB>>> Nazi policy. In the late '90s, declassified documents showed
 GB>>> the British intercepted numerous German transmissions of
 GB>>> totals and how their deaths were carried out in their normal,
 GB>>> relentless efficiency.

 EH>> And this makes Christians sponsors of the Nazi genocide?

 GB> Of course, no. I was not addressing that part of your post. I did not
 GB> want to edit out the 1st sentence of the quote for fear of being
 GB> accused of trying to twist things in some way. You have to be careful
 GB> in holocaust discussions.<g>

Okay.

 GB>>> The full story came out as the Russians broke the back of the
 GB>>> German armies on the eastern front and the Russians began to
 GB>>> liberate death camps.

 EH>> Which was well into the war.

 GB> Yes, but the Russians, as were the Brits and US, already aware of
 GB> what was going on. When the Russians liberated the 1st concentration
 GB> camp, they asked the prisoners to take them to the gas chambers.

What could any of them do before they liberated the camps?

 GB> The BBC broadcast in 1942 that Jews were being gassed in large
 GB> numbers.

Yes, and nothing could be done until the camps were liberated.

 GB>>> There also had been escapees who gave full details to the
 GB>>> Allies. The US had full knowledge by mid-1944. We were
 GB>>> planning bombing missions around the position of the camps to
 GB>>> spare them being hit. Some Jewish leaders actually requested
 GB>>> the camps be bombed to both end the suffering and give
 GB>>> opportunity of escape to those strong enough.

 EH>> When it became known, the Allies increased their urgency in
 EH>> defeating the Nazis. There was little the Allies could do until
 EH>> they liberated those camps. That isn't the same as doing
 EH>> nothing and/or sponsoring the atrocities.

 GB> I agree its not the same as sponsoring.

Then what is your point? This thread is about Vern's claim that
Christians sponsored the Nazi death camps.

 GB> I was just correcting your original point of the situation being
 GB> unknown until troops began liberation.

Which does nothing for the thread.

Ed

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