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Skriven 2006-10-08 19:06:00 av MIMI GALLANDT (1:275/311)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN HULL
Ärende: Muslems
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John Hull wrote:

JH>Ed Hulett -> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:
JH> EH> VERN HUMPHREY -> ED HULETT wrote:
JH> VH>>>> People like Charles Lindberg made excuses for Hitler, too.

JH> VH>>>>>> More Muslims have died fighting on our side in this war
JH> VH>>>>than  Americans
JH> VH>>>>>> -- many more.

JH> EH>>>>> More Muslims have died fighting each other -- many more.

JH> VH>>>> And a good many on our side.

JH> EH>>> Most died just fighting a different sect. Sunni kill Shi'a and
JH>visa  VH>> versa.

JH> VH>> Now that sounds like a liberal argument -- when someone they
JH>don't  EH> like
JH> VH>> does the right thing, they always say he did it for the wrong
JH>reason.

JH> EH> Excuse me? They've been killing each other for decades, even
JH> EH> centuries. Their hatred of each other has nothing to do with
JH>anything the US has done.

JH> VH>> More muslims than Americans have died fighting on our side.

JH> EH> And before that they died fighting on Hitler's side.

JH> VH>> Let us honor them as allies, not denigrate them.

JH> EH> Whose denigrating anyone?


JH>Ed's right, Vern.  You can't ignore the historical context.  Without
JH>it, trying to figure what makes them tick is an exercise in futility.
JH>Regardless of how many have died fighting on our side, they are a
JH>minority of the whole compared to those who are actively against us
JH>or acquiesce in the face of terrorism used in their name.

JH>Any religion that demands such utter obediance to its word, such that
JH>all else in life becomes secondary to keeping that faith and to
JH>ritualistic prayer (ie, praying 5 times a day facing toward Mecca) is
JH>a religion of fanatics.

JH>Every religion I've ever heard of has had its moments of insanity.
JH>Buddhist warrior monks, Shintoism's Bushido, Christianity's Knights
JH>Templar, the Mormon Angels of Death, etc.  But almost all of them
JH>have outgrown those sorts of extremism and fanaticism.  Islam is
JH>steeped in such behavior, and instead of growing out of that phase
JH>and mellowing, it has gotten worse - the Wahabbist sect has only been
JH>active for about 150 years or so, yet is the predominant mode of
JH>thought in Islamic schools around the world, including here in the 
US.

JH>I would like nothing better than having the majority of Islam on our
JH>side, but the fact is that they aren't and never will be.  We are at
JH>war with Islam - rather Islam is at war with everyone who is not
JH>muslim.  It has fallen to us to defend civilization from terrorism,
JH>fanaticism, and religious fundamentalism.  If we don't win this war,
JH>the world will slip into a second Dark Age that will make the first
JH>one pale in comparison.

Exactly.

L'Chaim

Mimi

In the beginning
the Word already was.

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