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Skriven 2006-10-31 18:59:00 av RICHARD HELM (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av GARY BRASWELL
Ärende: Election
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On 31 Oct 10, GARY BRASWELL wrote to JEFF BINKLEY:
on the subject: Election 

 GB> Jeff Binkley -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 GB>>>>>>> That is one process and not a new one. I don't happen to
 GB>>>>> agree  with  JH> it.
 GB>>>>>>> But why it is done makes the difference. I doubt the
 GB>>> Democratic  JH>>> party is
 GB>>>>>>> doing it because the terrorists have said lack of Republican
 GB>>>>>>> voter turnout will help us win.

 JH>>>>>> If the Democrat Party cared a damn about what it stood for,
 JH>>>>>> knowing that the terrorists preferred it to the GOP, they
 JH>>>>>> would change their platform.  That they don't says to me they
 JH>>>>>> don't give a damn.

 GB>>>>> How can you really know what the terrorists prefer? And of so,
 GB>>>>> why would they vocalize it?

 JB>>>> Two simple questions.

 JB>>>> 1.  Do the terrorists want us to leave Iraq ?
 JB>>>> 2.  Which party has the most members publicly talking about a
 JB>>>> hasty withdraw ?

 GB>>> I don't think the terrorists want us to leave Iraq. But if we do they
 GB>>> will claim victory. The same way Saddam did after the Gulf War.

 JB>> That doesn't make any sense.  If they don't want us to leave then why
 JB>> are they fighting us ?

 GB> Its pretty obvious and simple. They want to kill us. They want to 
 GB> destroy us. 

 GB> Where else in the world can they get at us so easily? Kill us in 
 GB> numbers they have not been able to since 9/11 and do it on a daily 
 GB> basis and show the US is not invulnerable on international TV.

 GB> Its a bonanza from their point of view.


 GB>>> Ready made and available US targets, not to mention a huge recruiting
 GB>>> situation makes our stay there a welcome one to the hierarchy of
 GB>>> terror outfits.

 JB>> That makes no sense.  They don't need us there to stir up hatred of the

 GB> It makes plenty of sense.

 GB> They may not need us there to stir hatred of the US, but as long as 
 GB> we are there, the hatred grows and spreads in an order of magnitude 
 GB> and more importantly, since they can paint us as invaders, conquerors 
 GB> they can get more people to actually come in and fight.

 JB>> US.  Aside from bragging to a buddy, what value is killing a US soldier
 JB>> in Iraq to a terrorist ?  Terrorists, most of all, want major publicity.
 JB>> Attacking a  major US asset will give them that visibility.  Killing a
 JB>> few US soldiers won't.

 GB> Without a doubt, killing US troops is not as sexy to terrorists as 
 GB> blowing something up on US soil.

 GB> But if its all you have, you make the best out of it and they are.

 GB>>> I think the Bath remnants want is to leave. I think the religious
 GB>>> factions want us to leave and I think a growing number of Iraqis want
 GB>>> us to leave.

 GB>>> Bin Laden wanted us out of the Holy Lands. We are now, but he is
 GB>>> still after us.

 JB>> The last time I checked, Bin Laden was still considered to be the leader
 JB>> of Al Qaeda.

 GB> I agree. So what is your point?


 GB>>> They want us now out of the Middle East completely and that will not
 GB>>> even be enough if we did leave.

 GB>>> Its gone beyond all that now.

 JB>> If they never wanted us dead, they wouldn't have attacked us in the
 JB>> first place.  You're joining the crowd that makes this all the fault of
 JB>> the US.  Sad to see.

 GB> You lost me here.

 GB> I never said they did not want us dead. Various factions have 
 GB> attacked us for many reasons. We support Israel, we intervene in the 
 GB> Middle East, we exist... 

 GB> I don't blame the US. I don't know where you got that from.


 JB>> I look at it as simply as I would rather kill a terrorist in Baghdad
 JB>> than in downtown New York.

 GB> Same here, but killing them anywhere is fine by me.

 GB> You have to understand Jeff, they feel the same about the US. They 
 GB> would rather kill many in the US in one fell swoop, but if they 
 GB> can't, what we have in Iraq will do fine for now.

 GB> Until the Iraqis are able to fight for their own country, we are in a 
 GB> war of attrition in Iraq. Sure we kill more of them. But they don't 
 GB> care. 

 GB> Its my belief we are going to have to be in Iraq for 20 years or more 
 GB> if we want to do the job right.

 GB> We are going to have to have an entire generation grow up that knows 
 GB> nothing else but democracy and freedom. They will fight and die for 
 GB> it. Now we have a largely tribal and split religious culture used to 
 GB> living in horrible circumstances with massive corruption that has 
 GB> been the fabric of their country for decades.

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