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Skriven 2006-11-08 18:52:26 av Mimi Gallandt (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 24610 av VERN HUMPHREY (1:123/140)
Ärende: Election
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VERN HUMPHREY -> JEFF BINKLEY wrote:
 VH>>>> But remember, to apply pressure you need a credible military
 VH>>>> threat. Not how the anti-US nations got cooperative when we
 VH>>>> captured Saddam Hussain -- their willingness to cooperate with
 VH>>>> us is directly proportionate to their fear of us.

 VH>>>> And that means, as Voltaire said, "The English sometimes shoot
 VH>>>> an admiral to encourage the others."  We sometimes need to stomp
 VH>>>> a mudhole in a hostile nation to encourage the others.

 GB>>> One of the more honest answers I have heard for being in Iraq.

 JB>> If it comes down to them fearing us or us fearing them, the choice is
 JB>> easy.

 VH> "I don't try to inspire fear -- stark terror is more effective."
 VH> -- Uncle Herbivore

They didn't even wait 24 hours after the election to show how they feel about
how strong a Democrat Congress is:

Palestinian terrorists:
Attack U.S. targets
Hamas, Fatah urge Muslims to 'teach
American enemy merciless lessons'
Posted: November 8, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein


JERUSALEM – Terror groups in the Gaza Strip, including militants from
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, warned today they
may attack U.S. interests in the Middle East.
Hamas' so-called "military wing" released a statement, the first of its kind,
calling on Arabs and Muslims to attack American targets in the Middle East in
response to an Israeli artillery strike today that killed at least 19
Palestinians.

"The U.S. provides political and logistical cover for the crimes committed by
the Zionist occupation, and it must be blamed for the Beit Hanoun massacres,"
the Hamas military wing said in a statement.

The statement urged Arabs and Muslims to "teach the American enemy merciless
lessons they will not forget."

The Israeli Defense Forces earlier today used artillery shells to target a site
in Beit Hanoun in the northern Gaza Strip from which Qassam rockets were fired
yesterday at a nearby, populated Jewish city. The Israeli shells hit a
residential area about a third of a mile from the targeted zone. IDF sources
said the army was investigating if the wrong coordinates were fed to the
artillery unit and whether the error was human or technical.

Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni expressed regret for the deaths, saying
Israel did not set out to harm innocent civilians.

But Palestinian groups vowed revenge.

Members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the declared "military wing" of Abbas'
Fatah party, told WND they joined Hamas in its calls to target U.S. interests,
as did the Islamic Jihad terror group.

Sources close to Hamas told WND the hitting of American targets was discussed
by the terror group "at the highest level."

They said today's statement calling for revenge against the U.S. was not
endorsed by all members of Hamas' military wing, but they warned if the U.S.
doesn't back the Hamas-led Palestinian government and cease what they called
the "financial strangulation" of the Hamas government, then attacks against
U.S. interests may be carried out.

Palestinian security officials, speaking to WND on condition of anonymity, said
the calls for attacks against U.S. interests were mostly out of frustration for
Hamas' belief the U.S. was urging Abbas to dismantle the Hamas government.

Hamas won a majority of Palestinian parliamentary seats in elections earlier
this year.

According to a number of press reports, Abbas has been considering dismantling
the PA. As Palestinian president, Abbas has the authority to abolish the PA and
establish an emergency government that he would head for three months, at which
point new elections would be held. Under certain circumstances, Abbas can
maintain and lead the emergency government indefinitely, usurping Hamas' power.

The U.S. reportedly has offered about $28 million in financial aid to Abbas'
Fatah party to bolster it against Hamas. In September, the two engaged in heavy
gun battles in the Gaza Strip and West Bank after negotiations to establish a
national unity government between them appeared to have fallen through.

Last month, Time Magazine reported members of Hamas were debating whether to
carry out attacks against the U.S. in the Middle East following America's
support for Abbas' rival Fatah party.

The Time report quoted several anonymous Hamas sources explaining clandestine
meetings were held in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank to discuss the
possibility of targeting the U.S. due to its perceived "one-sided" support of
Israel and reported calls for Abbas to dissolve the Hamas-led Palestinian
government.

The report said the Israeli intelligence estimate is that Hamas will restrain
from targeting the U.S., but if its government is toppled, such restraint could
dissipate.

Speaking openly to WND last month, Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' so-called
military wing in Gaza, confirmed the Time report.

"The Americans are supporting Israel unfairly and are playing a leading role in
the conspiracy against the (Hamas-led) Palestinian government. All Palestinians
feel a hatred toward the American government and wouldn't mind attacks [against
it], but for now we are limiting our fight to Palestine," said Abu Abdullah,
who is considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas'
Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, the group's declared "resistance"
department.

Abu Abdullah warned WND that if the Hamas government is "toppled" with the help
of the U.S., then "all options are open."

Hamas capable of attacks inside U.S.

While the report warned of attacks against American interests in the region,
some terrorism experts and senior security officials previously told WND Hamas
has cells inside the U.S. technically capable of attacking within the country.

"We have information Hamas agents have been on U.S. soil the past few years and
that the group may currently have up to 100 agents operating inside America,"
an FBI counterterrorism agent in New York told WND last October.

The comments reaffirm earlier testimony to the U.S. Senate in which FBI
Director Robert Mueller stated, "Although it would be a major strategic shift
for Hamas, its United States network is theoretically capable of facilitating
acts of terrorism in the United States."

Mueller last February described a Hamas network the FBI believes may be
operating in the U.S. mostly for fund-raising purposes. While many suspected
Hamas-linked charities such as the national Holy Land Foundation have been shut
down, the FBI suspects others are still functioning in the U.S.

Holy Land, one of the largest Islamic charitable organizations in the U.S.,
closed amid accusations the group was a front for Hamas.

Intelligence sources said the FBI believes Hamas' current U.S. network includes
trained jihadists capable of carrying out advanced attacks. Some of the Hamas
agents are suspected of involvement with al-Qaida, the sources said.

Yehudit Barsky, director of the Middle East and International Terrorism Center
at the American Jewish Committee, said, "Hamas does have people in America who
are Muslim Brotherhood-oriented who support Hamas and who could carry out
attacks. ... This presence in the U.S. exists."

Terrorism expert Steve Emerson, whose research was credited with helping to
close Holy Land, told WND, "Hamas has an extensive infrastructure in the U.S.,
mostly revolving around the activities of fundraising, recruiting and training
members, directing operations against Israel, organizing political support and
operating through human-rights front groups. While Hamas has not acted outside
Israel, it has the capability of carrying out attacks in America if it decided
to enlarge the scope of its operations."

There have been previous indications Hamas, indeed, has agents operating inside
the U.S.

In August 2004, Ismail Selim Elbarasse, a long-time Hamas money man, was
arrested reportedly after authorities witnessed his wife videotaping Maryland's
Chesapeake Bay Bridge from their SUV as Elbarasse drove. The images captured by
Mr. Elbarasse's wife included close-ups of cables and other features "integral
to the structural integrity of the bridge," according to court papers.

In an FBI affidavit requesting a search warrant for Elbarasse's house obtained
by WND, special FBI agent Shawn Devroude states, "In previous years, al-Qaida
commanders and officials stationed in Western countries, including the United
States, have recruited Hamas operatives and volunteers to carry out
reconnaissance or serve as couriers.

"With the increased law enforcement pressure since 9-11, there has been a
renewed emphasis by al-Qaida to find confirmed jihadist supporters in the U.S.
by trying to enlist proven members of other groups such as Hamas to make up for
the vacuum on the field level."

Also in August 2004, two suspected high-level Hamas operatives, Mohammed Salah
and Abdelhaleem Ashqar, were detained in America and charged with providing
material support to Hamas, racketeering and money laundering.

Ashqar, under house arrest in Virginia, denied to WND he was involved with
Hamas fundraising and claimed doesn't know of any Hamas networks operating in
America.

In November 2003, Jamal Aqal, a Canadian immigrant born in Gaza, was arrested
in Israel under suspicion of receiving weapons and explosives training from
Hamas for use in future terror attacks in Canada and New York City. Aqal
pleaded guilty in 2004 to planning to kill American and Canadian Jewish leaders
and Israeli officials traveling in the U.S.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52863

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L'Chaim

Mimi

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the Word already was.

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