Text 26647, 92 rader
Skriven 2007-01-31 17:41:11 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26644 av John Massey (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Wetbacks, the Border, solutions
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John Massey -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JM> Gary Braswell -> John Hull wrote:

 GB>> There is no need to shoot people just for trying to cross the border.

 JM> Then why have a border?

We can try other things fist, John. You know that. Come on.

The reason its epidemic is the lack of enforcement, the lack of political
action because of politicians wanting the Hispanic vote as well as allowing
business to get cheap labor.

If enough people get upset about it, start dumping politicians who won't do
anything about it, start to elect those who will and enforce things already on
the books, build that wall and other things well known, the stream will be cut
way down. Look at the success of the wall in Israel. The first suicide bomber
in a year.

Its called democracy.


 GB>> Obviously if they attack people or destroy private property that is
 GB>> another matter.

 GB>> While I support a wall and patrols, I do not support people being shot
 GB>> for just crossing the border.

 JM> Why not?

Because other, non-lethal means can do it if we have the political will to do
it.

Do you seriously think if we won't do much now, that gunning them down will be
allowed?

Why do you want to leap to gunning down hundreds of people a day when other
things can be done?


 GB>> I will not have Americans gunning down unarmed illegal immigrants like
 GB>> the East Germans did with people trying to leave.

 JM> There is a huge difference between a government shooting their own
 JM> people to stop them from leaving and a government shooting people trying
 JM> to invade the country.

The invasion you speak of is one of a foreign nation or group hostile to us
coming in to take us over by force of arms.

Illegal aliens coming in to try to better themselves is another. They are not
showing up with rifles, tanks, aircraft, generals killing people and blowing
cities up. Nor are they mostly terrorists armed with bombs and AKs waiting to
shoot up a mall, or bomb a Jewish community center.

They come mostly unarmed and looking to work and make a living without any
malign intent. Sometimes they bring family members.

There is a huge difference between illegal aliens and an invading army trying
to take us over by force of arms.




 GB>> There is so much that can be done that will work without going to that
 GB>> level you seem so anxious to advance.

 JM> Like what?

 JM> If you have an idea that will stop the invasion cold, don't keep it to
 JM> yourself.
 JM> No one else has presented any workable plan.

I don't claim to have all the answers and I listed some earlier to try.

Mostly we need to make our politicians do something about it, instead of
ignoring it.

Gunning them down is no workable plan either.

We are not some tyrannical, totalitarian regime that shoots to deal with every
situation.

-- 
"We are safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."- George Orwell

"For those dreams taken, here are a few nightmares."
Written on a bomb dropped on Tora Bora.

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