Text 26704, 71 rader
Skriven 2007-02-01 07:41:10 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26686 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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Gary Braswell -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 GB> Mimi Gallandt -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 MG>> Gary Braswell -> John Massey wrote:
 GB>>> John Massey -> Gary Braswell wrote:

 GB>>>>> I agree we can't keep the door open and we have to take steps to
 MG>> stop
 GB>>>>> it, short of branding a people wetbacks and reducing their humanity
 GB>>>>> enough its not humans we are shooting for just coming across the
 JM>>>> border.


 JM>>>> We are not shooting them for crossing the border .
 JM>>>> We should shoot them for ILLEGALLY invading our country.
 JM>>>> The "reducing their humanity" line is an excuse not to protect this
 JM>>>> country.

 GB>>> Don't bother with trying anything else, just gun 'em down? How about
 GB>>> some scale of punishment for the crime?

 GB>>> So its ok to label them with racial slurs by calling them wetbacks
 GB> and
 GB>>> then gun them down as they cross the border?

 GB>>> I support putting up a wall and having it patrolled. I support
 GB>>> appropriate action to stop them from committing crimes as they do
 GB> this
 GB>>> such as endangering lives, destroying private property, rape,
 GB> assault,
 GB>>> etc. up to shooting them if need be to stop it.

 GB>>> I don't like the idea of amnesty for those that are already here, but
 GB>>> there is no way we can realistically round up millions and send
 MG>> them back.

 GB>>> Perhaps granting them some kind of extended work visa that they would
 GB>>> need to have to remain here and get services like school and medical
 GB>>> help, drivers licenses, etc.

 MG>> Maybe the rest of the country allows people to have these things
 GB> without
 MG>> documentation, but here in California people have to have the correct
 MG>> documents to get those things; Even albinos have to show birth
 MG>> certificates to be registered in public schools here to get into
 MG>> kindergarten and first grade (kindergarden is not mandatory in CA) and
 MG>> prior school records for older children transferring in also shot
 MG>> records are required; medical help requires some kind of medical
 MG>> insurance you can't be seen by a doctor without it here, long gone are
 MG>> the days of paying cash for doctors; Every single licensed driver in
 MG>> California had to show their birth certificate for their first license
 MG>> here. Are things really different in other states? OK I know that in
 MG>> Montana you can substitute your family bible for an actual birth
 MG>> certificate (I'm not BSing, you really can). The real solution to
 MG>> keeping all illegals out is if no one will hire them, go after the
 MG>> employers.


 GB> You have a point. If they cannot get work here, they will not come. That
 GB> is why I advocated the extended work visa. In exchange for registering,
 GB> which would allow them to work legally, they would also get drivers
 GB> licenses, entitled to medical help, public school, etc. Without it they
 GB> get none of that, including work.

 GB> They will go back.



Except that they don't.  Once they get the pass they stay.

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