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Skriven 2007-02-01 23:59:55 av Mimi Gallandt (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26753 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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Ed Hulett -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 EH> Mimi Gallandt -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 MG>> Ed Hulett -> John Hull wrote:
 EH>>> John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:


 BS>>>>>>>>>>>> Gosh Ed, you mean youdon't remember how well that strategy
 EH>>>>> worked
 EH>>>>>>>>> for
 BS>>>>>>>>>>>> the USSR in general  and East Germany in Berlin?

 EH>>>>>>>>>>> Especially the shooting part.

 EH>>>>>>>>>>> So far, John hasn't said anything about our northern border.


 JH>>>>>>>>>> So far, we don't have a problem with the northern border.

 EH>>>>>>>>> We don't? Do you think it'll stay that way if we block off the
 JH>>>>>>>> southern
 EH>>>>>>>>> border?

 JH>>>>>>>>>> But note that I said "the border" - not specifying either
 MG>> one in
 EH>>>>>>>>> particular.  And, as
 JH>>>>>>>>>> usual, Sakowski has his head buried up his nethers.  The USSR
 EH>>> and
 JH>>>>>>>> East
 JH>>>>>>>>>> Germany maintained their borders to keep people from getting
 EH>>> OUT.
 EH>>>>>>>>> They
 JH>>>>>>>>>> didn't have millions of people trying to get IN.

 EH>>>>>>>>> Keeping people in or keeping people out, what's the difference?

 JH>>>>>>>> That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

 EH>>>>>>> Excellent reply. I guess calling my question dumb allows you to
 JH>>>>>> ignore it.

 EH>>>>>>>>> We're already going to have to carry passports if we want to
 EH>>> visit
 EH>>>>>>>>> Canada or Mexico. Not to leave, but to get back in. Do you
 EH> think
 EH>>>>>>> that's
 EH>>>>>>>>> a good thing?

 EH>>>>>>>>> How many of your libeties are you willing to give up in
 EH> order to
 JH>>>>>> feel
 EH>>>>>>>>> secure?


 JH>>>>>>>> You have to have a passport to get into damn near every
 MG>> country on
 JH>>>>>> the
 JH>>>>>>>> planet.

 EH>>>>>>> You miss the point, John. We now have to have a passport to get
 EH>>> back
 EH>>>>>>> *IN* the US.

 JH>>>>>>>> If it keeps terrorists out, it doesn't bother me.

 EH>>>>>>> And just how will limiting your liberties keep terrorists out?

 JH>>>>>>>> Anyway, fat lot of good your liberties will do you if you start
 EH>>>>>>> glowing
 JH>>>>>>>> in the dark from a terrorist nuke going off.

 EH>>>>>>> I see, so it's okay with you if you lose all your liberties
 MG>> just so
 EH>>>>>>> you're safe from being nuked by a terrorist?

 EH>>>>>>> You know what Ben Franklin said about your thinking.


 JH>>>>>> I didn't say anything about giving up any rights, you did.

 JH>>>>>>> If it keeps terrorists out, it doesn't bother me.

 JH>>>>>> Requiring you to identify yourself when coming into the country is
 EH>>>>> not abrogating
 JH>>>>>> any of your rights, any more than when a cop asks you for your
 EH>>>>> driver's
 JH>>>>>> licence when you get pulled over, or the bank asking you for an ID
 JH>>>>>> before cashing a check.

 EH>>>>> Whoa! Up until recently, you could travel to and from Canada and
 JH>>>> Mexico
 EH>>>>> without much more that a driver's license or simple ID. A
 MG>> passport is
 EH>>>>> much more than a simple ID -- to get one you must provide your
 EH> birth
 EH>>>>> certificate and other proof of citizenship. It costs upwards of
 JH>>>> $100 to
 EH>>>>> get a passport.

 EH>>>>> Your comparisan is bogus.


 JH>>>> No, it isn't.  I don't care how you get the ID, only that you
 EH> have to
 JH>>>> use one in those situations.

 EH>>> A simple ID is something quite different than a passport. A
 EH> passport is
 EH>>> proof on citizenship. An ID just identifies you by name and
 EH> description.

 MG>> A drivers license is a state ID a passport is a federal ID.
 EH> Personally I
 MG>> use my military ID, but I could use my drivers license.....for now
 EH> anyway.

 EH> A passport is also a proof of citizenship.

Good point. States don't have the authority to grant or deny citizenship only
the feds have that authority.

-- 
L'Chaim

Mimi

In the beginning
the Word already was.

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