Text 26892, 94 rader
Skriven 2007-02-03 21:55:48 av Mimi Gallandt (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26825 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Wetbacks, the Border, sol
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John Hull -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 JH> Mimi Gallandt -> John Hull wrote:
 MG>> John Hull -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 JH>>> Mimi Gallandt -> Jeff Binkley wrote:
 MG>>>> Jeff Binkley -> Bob Ackley wrote:
 GB>>>>>>>>> There is no need to shoot people just for trying to cross the
 GB>>>>>>>>> border.

 JM>>>>>>>> Then why have a border?

 GB>>>>>>> We can try other things fist, John. You know that. Come on.

 GB>>>>>>> The reason its epidemic is the lack of enforcement, the lack of
 GB>>>>>>> political action because of politicians wanting the Hispanic
 GB>>>>>>> vote as well as allowing business to get cheap labor.

 BA>>>>>> Not to mention the fact that American citizens don't want to pay
 MG>> the
 BA>>>>>> price on goods that's required to pay other American citizens to
 BA>>>>>> produce them. Which is why so many manufactured goods are no
 JH> longer
 BA>>>>>> manufactured in this country.

 JB>>>>> That's Ok, wait till the libs and greenies wake up and see what
 MG>> their
 JB>>>>> mad push to ethanol is going to do to energy and food costs.  This
 JH>>> was
 JB>>>>> predicted but nobody is listening.  Taken further it will actually
 MG>>>> cause
 JB>>>>> an increase not a decrease in the use of fossil fuels.  But again
 MG>>>> heads
 JB>>>>> are in the sand. This is the MTBE fiasco all over again.

 MG>>>> On the subject of cars and alternative fuels; Ford has announced
 JH>>> they're
 MG>>>> building a "plug in" hydrogen car. Thought?


 JH>>> Yeah, they ought to concentrate on getting solvent before they start
 JH>>> gambling on something like that.  My brother works for Ford, and is
 MG>> one
 JH>>> of only five people in the entire world-wide company that does
 JH> what he
 JH>>> does, and may loose his job in March due to the cutbacks they're
 MG>> making.

 JH>>> I'm all for a hydrogen car, but the technology is not here yet to
 JH>>> support the infrastructure needed.  The car itself is the easy part.

 MG>> Thank you, I'm sorry about your brother's job (that sux). I'm pretty
 MG>> sure that it's relatively well known here that science is not my
 JH> strong
 MG>> suit so I'm about to ask some seemingly stupid questions. Hydrogen
 JH> is a
 MG>> "gas" of sorts but it's a gas like butane, right? It's unlike butane,
 MG>> though, because it's found in the air instead of underground, yes?
 MG>> Assuming those two questions are answered "yes" how does one go about
 MG>> collecting hydrogen and separating it from oxygen?



 JH> No, not like butane.  Hydrogen is an element on the periodic table, like
 JH> lead or gold or sodium.  It gives near perfect energy conversion when
 JH> burned with oxygen, and the byproduct is potable water - H2O.  So, if
 JH> you had an inexhaustable supply of free hydrogen you would have the
 JH> perfect fuel - maximum energy conversion to do work, virtually no
 JH> pollution, and it is self renewing (by "splitting" H2O, you get back to
 JH> the base components of pure O2 and hydrogen).  The problems are that it
 JH> takes more energy to crack water than you get out of the process (you'd
 JH> have to have several nuclear reactors to do that job to make it viable)
 JH> and you have to have specially modified engines to burn hydrogen and
 JH> store it safely for use.

 JH> Then there's the distribution system.  Since it is so volatile, you have
 JH> to take special precautions and use special gear, yet it has to be safe
 JH> enough for Joe Average to refuel his car without blowing up half the
 JH> block. That's a tough nut to crack.

Thanks (I think I understood most of that <g>) so then it's not likely to be
available in our lifetimes? I'm less worried about "green fuels" than I'm
really pissed about being held hostage by OPEC.

-- 
L'Chaim

Mimi

In the beginning
the Word already was.

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