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Skriven 2007-06-03 00:29:20 av Mimi Gallandt (1:123/789.0)
     Kommentar till en text av THURSTON ACKERMAN (1:123/140)
Ärende: OUT of Oraq or ???
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THURSTON ACKERMAN -> ED HULETT wrote:
 EH>> .TID: CrashMail II/Linux 0.71
 EH>> THURSTON ACKERMAN -> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:
 VH>>>>>> I don't live in Massachusetts -- but I remember the tens of
 TA>>> thousands
 VH>>>>>> who died in Viet Nam because of nonsense like this.

 VH>>>>>> The stakes are even higher now, and only a fool would encourage
 TA>>> the
 VH>>>>>> enemy like this.

 TA>>>>> Domocracy is not always a pleasant modus oprandi to live with.

 VH>>>> Democracy doesn't include encouraging our sworn enemies.

 TA>>> Over one billion Islamics disagree with you.

 EH>> You claim to speak for over one billion Islamics?

 TA>>> Of course if we disavow our treaty with Israel, that number
 TA> might reduc
 EH>> some.

 EH>> Good grief! It's all the Jews fault, eh?

 TA> Thats what the leaders of Iran and Sudi Arabia claim.
 TA> It's their neighborhood so they should know.

Gosh and you were just claiming that you wouldn't discriminate against me
because I'm not Christian, instead you discriminate against *ALL* Israeli Jews.
Here's a little piece written by a guy serving in Iraq about what Iran is
really saying about Israel:

The Shield of Achilles: Wiping Out Israel or its Government?

There's an overly long article running right now on Digg which is so
preposterous that I ignored it when I first read it a couple of weeks ago. I
figured reasonable people would see what a non-story it is. But apparently I
was wrong. As of right now, it has 1344 diggs (and probably many more by the
time you read this) which shows that there are at least 1344 people who lack
some common sense.

The article claims that Iranian President Ahmedinijad did not say in his
infamous speech on Oct 26, 2005: "Israel must be wiped off the map". No,
instead, the much more accurate translation is "this regime occupying Jerusalem
must vanish from the page of time" Wow. Doesn't that sound so much better?

To Iran's apologists, anyway, that does sound so much better, with the key word
being "regime". You see, since Bush and Blair called for regime changes in Iraq
and Afghanistan, (so the logic goes) then obviously Iran can say the same thing
about Israel. The apologists are essentially grasping at every straw they can
to portray Admedinijad's speech in the most innocent light possible, just as
they have been doing for Iran's nuclear ambitions.

First of all, Bush and Blair's statements are unrelated to Iran and Israel, but
in any case they were calling for regime changes toward democracy. Since Israel
is already a democracy (even giving full rights to its Arab citizens), the only
way you are going to wipe out the regime IS by wiping out its citizens.

Second, you have to look at the context of the statement and the speaker
himself. At the time of his speech, he was standing in front of a backdrop with
the words "A World Without Zionism" prominently displayed in Farsi and English,
and during the speech several times he referred to the "Zionist regime" in
Israel. Shortly after this speech, he headlined a Jerusalem Day ceremony in Oct
2005 (an annual rally to show Iran's support for Palestine), where there were
tens of thousands of participants:

    Shouting "Death to Israel, death to the Zionists", the protesters dragged
Israeli flags along the ground and then set them on fire.
    Many carried posters and placards sporting the slogan "Israel should be
wiped off the map".
    Joining the protest, Mr Ahmadinejad said: "My words were the Iranian
nation's words."

Or, if you don't believe the media, you can watch video of him whipping up a
rally crying "Death to Israel" here at a rally in January this year, captured
by Memri TV on YouTube. And these aren't exactly aberrations. "Death to Israel,
Death to America" have become routine slogans in Iran everywhere from political
rallies to grade school assemblies. And there are also of course other signs
that give us clues to Iran's intentions toward Israel, like my previous post
here.

Third, the article is not exactly news. It actually was released back in
January, and was generally ignored for many of the reasons above. But now
Anti-War.com decided to rally a group of their supporters and put this on the
front page of Digg. By the way, Anti-War.com does not really live up to its
namesake. Far from protesting all war, it has focused over 90% of its energies
to simply discrediting the United States, and to a lesser degree Israel, on a
wide range of issues (with all the wars going on in the world, you might think
they would branch out a bit). In any case, don't just take my word for it, go
to their front page and take a look for yourself.

Finally, bear in mind, even the Digg article admits that "wiped of the map" was
not an invention of the West, but it was put out by Iranian news outlets and
then spread by the wire services. Westerners usually assume that Iranians know
their own language better than others do. Maybe it is time to scrutinize the
official Iranian media a bit more, and stop taking everything they feed us for
at face value.


http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/wiping-out-israel-or-its-government.html



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