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Skriven 2004-10-15 19:16:14 av Howie Coombe
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: CHRIS_SOC: IF I WERE AMERICAN I WO
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Dear John, in regards to this message to Me.

 > 11 Oct 04 18:46, Howie Coombe wrote to John Hull:

 > HC> Dear John, in regards to this message to me.

 >>> 08 Oct 04 16:18, Howie Coombe wrote to John Hull:

 >>>>> HC> Because Americans cant, as a rule, and sometimes dont want to, as a

 >>>>> I have always answered civil questions about our political system from

 >>> HC> I will give credit where it is due, you have always seemed to answer

 >>>  That's because conservative works better than liberal in general.

 > HC> I Certainly think a lot of residents of Scandinavia would have

 >  I submit that you haven't been keeping up with what's going on there.


That is possible, i have been known to not pay too much attention to the
policy's of countrys that, IMO Sadly, do not have as much effect on Australia
as America's does.

 > The scandinavian governments that were famous for their cradle to grave     
> liberalism have been forced to cut back and eliminate a lot of the programs 
> they touted for years.


Yes they were but, both socially and politically, Scandinavia, which is to say
Sweden, Denmark, and Norway, still are far more liberal then "The Land of the
free and the home of the brave", or Australia for that matter.

 > The people got tired of giving more than half their earnings to the         
> government to pay for programs that paid the freight for those who sat on   
> their butts and drew the dole.


Aha, spoken like a true conservative, see above.

 >>> My personal political feelings do not interfere with my ability to

 > HC> Yes they do, mind you to give credit where it is due, so does mine, so


No Comment?, i will take that as an agreement.

 >>>>> What I take exception to are those who preface their questions with

 >>> HC> Which is perfect?.

 >>>  Never said that.

 > HC> Maybe not in so many words but you did indicate as much by admitting


No comment?, i willtake that as an agreement.

 >>> Our internal politics have no bearing on your life in any substantial

 > HC> Your internal politics have a bearing on your Economy and your 

 >  If that's true,


If?.

 > that isn't MY fault.


Yours personally?, no, but it is your countrys.

 > Nobody is holding a gun to your collective heads and forcing you to         
> buy/use/watch American.


No you do not use guns, you use FTA's, Mass Marketing, Strategic market
flooding and franchising techniques, although i will concede you also do use
the occasional superior product.

 > That is a choice that your countrymen have made in preference to local      
> stuff.


Exept that your countryment have in a lot of cases convinced my countrymen to
market your stuff as our "local stuff" by giving it a local host or some other
form of local spin.

 > You want to place blame,


I do not want to place blame, i simply want to state facts.

 > look in the mirror.


You first.

 >>>>> or on those running for office.

 >>> HC> Which again are perfect?.

 >>> Certainly never said that.

 > HC> Your Parlimentry Candidates have a bearing on your Economy and your

 > We don't have a parliament.


You have 2 elected levels of government, we have 2 elected levels of
government, The only differences are you directly elect your head of
government, and your dog catchers.

 >>>>> First,

 >>> HC> Yes?.

 >>>>> your interest in the inner workings of our system is fine to the extent

 >>> HC> I am glad you think that.

 >>>>> Ultimately,

 >>> HC> Yes?.

 >>>>> however,

 >>> HC> Yes?.

 >>>>> your opinions on those inner workings are meaningless in that they
 
 >>> HC> I Disagree, they are meaningfull in that they can affect the people,
 
 >>> Your opinions are not going to cause somebody to change their mind in 

 > HC> Yes?.


No argument?, i willtake that as an agreement.

 >>> Joe Average Citizen is not a participant here,

 > HC> So everybody here is extraordinary how?.

 >  To the extent that we participate on a regular basis in the process, yes.


And how?.

 >>> so will never hear your opinion;

 > HC> Aha, unless somebody here talks to them about it, and they might.


No Argument?, i willtake that as an agreement.

 >>> and second,

 > HC> Yes?.


No argument?, i willtake that as an agreement.

 >>> the people in this echo will have already formed an opinion that is

 > HC> In otherwords the people of this echo are too stuck in there ways.

 >  No,


No?.

 > not at all.


Of course not, how silly of me to think otherwise.

 > Nobody has presented any cogent arguments to cause us to change our minds.


"cogent argument", so that is what you call what you folks do in here?.

 >>> and will probably be ticked off that somebody who doesn't even live here

 > HC> Constructive comment is constructive comment and where it comes from

 >>> But,

 > HC> Yes?.


No Argument?, i will take that as an agreement.

 >>> let's assume that you do change a couple of minds to your way of

 > HC> OK, And?.

 No Argument?, i will take that as an agreement. more later maybe.

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