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Ärende: Noachide Transformation of USA
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Mulling over VERN HUMPHREY to STAN HARDEGREE 06 Nov 2004

SH> SA> There is a restrainer, who restricts the mystery of iniquity
SH> SA> from running its full course, until he be taken away, and the

SH>Say what?

 VH> A communique from the Tinfoil Helmet Brigade. :-)

The liberals posing as conservatives who post in this echo scoff, as is
their way, nevertheless, there is a program under way to transform the
USA (and other Western nations) into a society based upon the seven 
"Noachide Laws", which among other things will result in the abolition 
of Christmas, and the elimination (execution) of Christians.

Here is an example of the campaign to abolish "X-mas":
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Campaign to abolish X-mas continues

SPECIAL SALE!!!

Fliers now available at reduced price:

$0.15 per flier.

[phone number withheld]/www.noahide.com

More reasons the Torah obligates all Jews in this campaign:

? "...There no longer exists even a remote doubt of any danger
involved with spreading the Noahide Laws...". Consequently, the 
Jewish people must now become totally involved to the maximum of 
their capacity and effort to fulfill the Torah obligation to teach 
and transform all gentiles throughout the world. Anyone who seeks 
to exempt himself from this mitzvah, claiming he is already busy 
with other mitzvahs (ahavas Yisroel, etc.), is, in effect, throwing 
off the yoke of heaven. "This is the opposite of Torah, and is 
neither a benefit for him nor for those [Jews] whom he is helping
 - and utilizing - to exempt himself from kabbalas ol malchus shamayim
[accepting the yoke of heaven]!"

(Lubavitcher Rebbe, Sefer Hisvaduyos, Purim, 1987)

? "Moshe Rabbeinu was commanded from the mouth of the Al-mighty to
force all the inhabitants of the earth to accept the commandments 
that were commanded upon the descendants of Noah."

(Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 8:10)

? Christianity, moreover, is absolute idolatry, not shittuf
(partnership of deities), based on at least two of its beliefs (held
almost universally by the estimated 1.9 billion Christians worldwide):
(1) That the other two members of the "trinity" are of equal power and
stature to Hashem (G-d forbid!), and (2) that the physical world is
primarily under the dominion of the Satan, who is in an actual state
of rebellion against G-d (G-d forbid!). Christianity, therefore, does
not fit the definition of shittuf given by the Lubavitcher Rebbe
("Mayim Rabim," Sefer Hama'amarim vol. 1, pp. 51-62; 1957).

? The Rambam, indeed, officially rules in three places that
Christianity is idolatry and thus forbidden to gentiles (Mishneh
Torah, Hilchos Ma'achalos Asuros 11:7 and Hilchos Avodas Kochavim 9:4;
commentary on Mishnah, Avodah Zarah 1:3), and implies the same in a
fourth place (Hilchos Melachim 11:4) (Note: these texts are censored
from the standard editions of these works). The Rambam further rules
that any religion which would believe in shittuf would also be
prohibited to gentiles (Hilchos Melachim 9:2).

? According to the Nodah Biyhudah,* the Rama agrees with the Rambam
that any religion of shittuf would be forbidden to gentiles (nor did
the Rama ever indicate that Christianity was shittuf rather than
idolatry).

Source: JAHG-USA - http://www.noahide.com/xmas2.htm
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The Final War for Jerusalem

Why Permanent Israeli Victory Is Now Within Reach

Only slightly more than twenty-five years ago, Israelis and Jews
worldwide were still basking in the proud glow of victory. Not only
were the holiest sites of Jewish history finally reunited, but
Israel's forces held all the strategic ground of the Golan Heights,
the West Bank, and the Sinai peninsula. For the first time in the
modern world, Arab enemies trembled with fear while the Jewish people
stood securely in the most ancient and holy of lands.

(snip / snip)

Our most pressing task, to put it simply, is to launch an
international Noachide revolution without delay. The process has
already begun, with dozens of tiny Noachide communities having
appeared throughout the United States, generally composed of former
Christians who have abandoned that religion. The task of organizing
the revolution can be divided into two broad stages:

I) We must first create a new Noachide society as an international
network of communities and organizations functioning inside, but
separately from, the surrounding society (based on halachic
requirements and directives, Noachide institutions function quite
differently from their Christian and secular counterparts).

This starts with an aggressive outreach program, by Jews and Noachides
alike, to teach gentiles about their responsibilities according to
Torah.

Simultaneously, we must organize functioning programs and institutions
that are prepared to absorb these vast numbers of ex-Christians and
immediately involve them in efforts to bring Moshiach. The Noachide
communities require schools for their children, modeled after the
Jewish yeshiva programs; Torah study groups geared for their specific
needs; coordinated celebrations of appropriate Torah holidays; family
services for marriage, support for the elderly, and burial; courts of
justice, led by rabbinically trained righteous judges, which will
function similarly to Jewish batei dinim; and tzedaka programs to
assist the needy, to build new Noachide schools, and to support Jewish
settlements in Israel and synagogues throughout the diaspora.

2) In the second stage, the growing Noachide movement will seize
political power - using only peaceful, lawful means - in the capitals 
of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the
Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how
large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution
first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative
nation, certainly tops the list of prospects.

Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will
move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. All economic and
technological aid to the Communist Bloc, including the PLO, will be
terminated immediately. Full support will be given to Israeli forces
to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered
where necessary. Jewish courts (the batei dini of the rabbis) will be
granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each
country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile
courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the
existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be
drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the
emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and
abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. The
national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors
with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And
law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of
internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.

(snip / snip)

The world has reached its ultimate point of decision, and the power to
succeed belongs entirely to the Jewish people. We can wait until
Moshiach comes on his own, following a world war, or we can bring him
through our own actions, as the Lubavitcher Rebbe has stated is our
mission. The choice is ours.

There is not a minute to waste. Jews everywhere, unite!

Copyright - 1998 by the Committee for Israeli Victory

Source: JAHG-USA - http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm
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Instead of honouring the Lubavitcher Rebbe with proclamations and laws,
the US Presidents would do well to examine the underlying "morality"
of the Noachide legal system, and to reject it, not facilitate it.

The above are only a small sample from one web site - anyone not blinkered
with liberal disbelief & scoffing might try a search on Noachide plus
Christians / Bush / Reagan / Clinton etc & connect the dots for themselves.
 
Cheers, Steve..

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