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Ärende: Election
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08 Nov 04 18:35, LEE LOFASO wrote to JOHN HULL:
LL> Hello John,
>>JB>With Ohio and the nation both voting 51% Bush and Kerry 48% (as I
>>JB>predicted), and Bush getting 3.5 million more votes, will Kerry
>>JB>admit defeat ? The Republicans extend their majority and Daschle
>>JB>gets tossed. What a wonderful morning.
>>LL>Kerry called Bush this morning, conceding the election.
>>LL>Now it's onward to 2008, for the coronation of Queen Hillary.
>>GL>Lee, the Dems can forget about the WH UNLESS the USA has an
>>GL>extremely bad economy that election year - like double digit
>>GL>unemployment and/or double digit inflation.
>>LL>Despite record job losses, folks in Ohio preferred to stick with
>>LL>Bush.
JH>>I missed this one before. Everybody lost jobs because of 9/11.
JH>>Bush didn't have a damn thing to do with that. But he DID have
JH>>something to do with kic starting things AFTER 9/11, which is what
JH>>brought the recession to an end an started jobs being added again.
JH>>In October, more than 300,000 new jobs were added, and people in
JH>>Ohio knew that and voted accordingly.
LL> The economy went into recession *before* 9-11, the Bush
LL> administration
LL> going into deficit spending in August of 2001, *before* 9-11.
The recesssion was from the Clinton Administration. Period. Deficit spending
doesn't have a damn thing to with it. And, every financial analyst of any
stature at all, credits Bush with stopping the recession and reversing it with
his tax cuts and refund.
>>LL>What the Democrats need is not a bad economy, but rather a vision
>>LL>for America. The entire Kerry campaign was run using tactics. No
>>LL>strategy involved at all. Just tactics. And that dog don't hunt.
>>JH>Vision my ass. They haven't had an original idea since 1932.
>>LL>And what a great vision it was! Sixty years of Democratic control
>>LL>of both houses of Congress, as well as the U.S. Supreme Court!
>>LL>Not only that, but the Democratic vision for America gave us the
>>LL>presidencies of FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton! And
>>LL>what a ride it was! If only today's Democrats would embrace that
>>LL>vision, rather than "apologize" for such success!
JH>>Right, they had sixty years in which they could've built a legacy
JH>>of accomplishment second to none in history, but they squandered
JH>>it.
LL> Sixty years of economic prosperity is a marvelous accomplishment.
Bull. The boom of the 50's was the result of all the men coming back from the
war, and the fact that after 15 years of doing without during the war and the
Depression, people went nuts buying new technological wonders. That continued
until Johnson ruined it all with his Great Society.
JH>>Instead we got ever increasing government interference in our
JH>>everyday lives, the worst recession since the 30's, backbreaking
JH>>tax levels, and massive welfare dependency.
LL> The Welfare State helped lift many Americans out of poverty.
LL> Without such help, those Americans would never have had the
LL> opportunity
LL> to compete for jobs, or have a life worth living.
That more crap, Lee. The welfare state put poor people into a cycle of
dependency on the federal government that was damn near impossible to get out
of because it penalized mothers for trying to get ahead, and rewarded them for
having more kids out of wedlock. It also created one of the most corrupt
bureaucracies in our history.
JH>>If not for the Republican takeover of the House in 92, we'd still
JH>>be in that cycle of despair.
LL> Since Republicans took control of the Congress, the rich have
LL> gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer. And now with a Republican
LL> president, the rift is getting even greater between rich and poor.
You just can't stand it when somebody gets ahead by dint of their own sweat and
blood, can you? MOST of those who got righ did so because they worked their
asses to the bone with 16 hour days, and went without things for years when
they were younger so they could build their businesses up into something to
leave to thier kids. And all you liberals want to do, is tax the hell out of
it so they can't afford to buy any new equipment, or hire new people to expand.
But even more important, YOU don't have a right to any of their hard earned
money.
>>LL>FDR won election in 1932 due to Republicans splitting their vote.
>>LL>FDR won re-election in 1936 with a recovering economy.
>>JH>We were still deep in the Depression in 36.
>>LL>And coming out of it fast, thanks to the economic policies of FDR.
>>LL>FDR won re-election in 1940 with a good economy.
>>JH>The economy was barely on its feet, and only because of increased
>>JH>government spending on war materiel.
>>LL>The economy was doing splendidly by 1940, with only remnants of
>>LL>the Great Depression remaining. Had it not been for WWII, the
>>LL>economy would have done even better.
JH>>Absolutely not.
LL> Because the economy was doing so well, FDR was re-elected to a
LL> third
LL> consecutive term by a large margin.
JH>>The increased production of supplies for England got our economy
JH>>back on track, and the followup orders of military hardware by our
JH>>our military did the rest. That's why we were able to hit the
JH>>ground running when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor. Our factories
JH>>were already pumping out at full capacity. We only had to add the
JH>>extra shifts.
LL> FDR borrowed from Woodrow Wilson, and used a wartime economy
LL> during
LL> peacetime, knowing America would soon be at war. His first
LL> concern
LL> was war with Europe, although he realized war with Japan was also
LL> inevitable. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we were then
LL> at
LL> war. Even before FDR informed the Congress that a state of war
LL> existed
LL> between the United States and the Empire of Japan. Hitler made
LL> things
LL> easy for FDR by then declaring war on the United States.
>>LL>FDR won re-election in 1944 with a war economy.
>>JH>He won because he knew how to unify the people in the war effort,
>>JH>and because you don't change horses in the middle of a battle.
>>LL>FDR won election to the presidency *four* times, all by large
>>LL>margins. Why did people love FDR so much? FDR created JOBS for
>>LL>people everywhere. And putting people back to work is what
>>LL>brought this country out of the Great Depression.
JH>>People either loved FDR or hated him.
LL> Quite true. But most folks loved him. :)
JH>>They hated him enough to pass an amendment to the Constitution to
JH>>limit the president to only two terms.
LL> FDR died in April of 1945, long before such an amendment was even
LL> introduced in the Congress. And when the 22nd Amendment was
LL> finally
LL> passed and ratified, during the Truman administration, it did not
LL> apply to Truman. But it did keep Eisenhower from serving a third
LL> consecutive term. :)
That doesn't change the fact that they started the amendment process because of
FDR. There were some fiery debates about the subject while he was still alive.
They were deathly afraid of him getting another term and packing the Supreme
Court with his liberal cronies.
John
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