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Skriven 2004-11-11 10:37:54 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 4781 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Election
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10 Nov 04 14:35, LEE LOFASO wrote to JOHN HULL:

 LL> Hello John,

 >>JH>There are no signs it will change anytime soon.

 >>LL>The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

 JH>>Then work harder, you lazy bum!

 LL> The economy is for the person.  Not the other way around.

 JH>>Quit waiting for the damn government to GIVE it to you.

 LL> People are not slaves, and should never be forced into slavery.
 LL> Does the world owe me a living?  YOU BET IT DOES!  Unfortunately,
 LL> not everybody believes in freedom.  :'(

The world doesn't owe you, or anybody else, jack shit.

 >>JH>And what's wrong with one party in control?

 >>LL>The danger of falling into a dictatorship.

 >>JH>Really?  I guess its okay for 60 years on Democratic control
 >>JH>though, eh? Discussing anything with you is a gesture in futility.
 >>JH>Of course, that's the case with most liberals.  You've got no
 >>JH>perspective of history.

 >>LL>History according to liberals is much different than history
 >>LL>according to conservatives.  :)

Still doesn't change the fact you're a bloody hypocrite.

 >>JH>We might actually get something done for a change, instead of just
 >>JH>standing around pissing on each other's shoes.

 >>LL>It has often been alleged that Mussolini got the trains to run
 >>LL>on time.  But in actuality, things got really fucked up under
 >>LL>Mussolini.

 JH>>Now you're accusing us of being Brown Shirts?  What's next, Nazis?
 JH>>Khmer Rouge?  You're beginning to piss me off, Lee.

 LL> All democracies have fascist tendencies.  That does not mean that Bush is 
 LL> a fascist, or that the Republican Party is fascist.  FDR interned 
 LL> thousands of Japanese Americans after the events of Pearl Harbor, and 
 LL> during WWII.  That was a form of fascism.  Did that make FDR a fascist? 
 LL> Did that make the Democratic Party fascist?  Bush interned over a 
 LL> thousand Muslims after the events of 9-11 on suspicion they might be 
 LL> terrorists. That was a form of fascism.  Does that make Bush a fascist? 
 LL> Does that make the Republican Party fascist?

There was a good military reason to inter the Japanese.  Just as there was the
Muslims after 9/11.  Without specific knowledge of the background of each of
those people they could very easily have been terrorists or sympathizers.  The
only thing wrong with what FDR did, was that once proven to not be a threat,
they should have been released and ALL their property restored immediately.


 >>JH>After all, the Democrats had their turn for nearly 50 years, and
 >>JH>didn't do much except increase dependency on government and
 >>JH>increase the welfare rolls and taxes.

 >>LL>Government should work *for* people, not against people.
 >>LL>That is why Democrats still believe in social justice.

Bullshit, Lee.  Democrats believe in whatever gives them power and control over
people.

 >>JH>Increasing the *amount* of government isn't working FOR anybody 
 >>JH>but bureaucrats.  It damn sure don't have anything to do with 
 >>JH>justice, social or otherwise.

 >>LL>The economy is for the person, not the other way around.

And the person is NOT served by an ever increasing government bureaucracy.

 >>JH>That isn't what this country is all about.

 >>LL>Yes, it is.

 >>JH>No, it isn't.  You need to reread the Declaration of Independence
 >>JH>and the Constitution.  If you believe all the stuff you've said 
 >>JH>here you don't get i anymore.

 >>LL>Government is to "promote the general Welfare", according to our
 >>LL>Constitution.  Remember the old saying, "Government provides,

 JH>>You don't have a clue what that means, do you?

 LL> The U.S. Constitution is a good, legal document.  The U.S. 
 LL> Constitution
 LL> says what it means, and it means what it says.  Understanding the
 LL> Preamble to the U.S. Constitution is essential for understanding 
 LL> the rest of the U.S. Constitution.  After all, the Preamble is part of 
 LL> the U.S. Constitution.

The preamble has no legal standing whatsoever.

 >>LL>business denies."  As such, what should the proper role of 
 >>LL>government b

 JH>>The proper role of government is to do those specific things 
 JH>>spelled out in Constitution, and nothing more.  The proper role of 
 JH>>government is to stay th hell out of the way of the individual, to 
 JH>>allow him or her to get ahead on their sweat and tears.

 LL> "We the people" means our government is comprised "of the people, 
 LL> by the
 LL> people, for the people".  IOW, we can do whatever we damn well 
 LL> please.
 LL> After all, it's *our* government.

NO, it doesn't mean you can do "whatever you damn well please."  It has never
meant that, ever.  Its obvious you don't understand what it really means or you
wouldn't say such nonsense.

 >>LL>What should the proper role of business be?  Should government be
 >>LL>run like a business?  In my view, it should not.  After all,
 >>LL>business is in business to make a profit.  And government is 
 >>LL>supposed t be a non-profit organization, working solely for the 
 >>LL>people, our government being "We the people" (first three words of 
 >>LL>the U.S. Constitution).

 JH>>Why don't you try actually living by the Constitution, instead of
 JH>>as a subject of the nanny state?

 LL> Nobody lives by the Constitution.  Nor would anybody want to.

Really?  Most people in this country lived by it for the first 50 years, until
the Supreme Court started making rulings that have gradually gone farther and
farther from the original intent of the Founders.  A great many people, myself
included, would be more than willing to go back to a strict interpretation of
that document.  The only people it would be hard on are the lazy assholes who
think government should provide every little thing for them from cradle to
grave.

John 

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