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Skriven 2004-11-13 21:07:24 av Steve Asher (3:800/432.0)
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Mulling over LEE LOFASO to STEVE ASHER 11 Nov 2004

G'day Lee...

>SA>There is a restrainer, who restricts the mystery of iniquity
>SA>from running its full course, until he be taken away, and the

>SH>Say what?

>VH>A communique from the Tinfoil Helmet Brigade. :-)

>SA>Here is an example of the campaign to abolish "X-mas":

>LL>Don't laugh.  Some Jews are very serious about this.  Which is the
>LL>same reason why some Jews want to build a Third Temple.  And they
>LL>will.

SA>The liberals who pose as conservatives in this echo have little choice
SA>but to scoff and to laugh - having rejected the truth & exchanged it for
SA>a lie, they have sown to the wind, and are about to reap the whirlwind. :(

 LL> They have merely replaced one religion for another.  Without
 LL> realizing what they have done.

In many cases, I doubt they realise what they have done. In effect, they
have started out with what was "marketed" as a Judeo-Christian society,
supposedly based upon the Ten Commandments or other biblical standards,
and are replacing it with a Judeo-Noachide society, based largely upon
the seven "Noachide Laws" of the [Babylonian] Talmud. Mystery, Babylon
the Great. If there was a plan afoot by Islamic scholars to implement 
Shariah Law in the USA (and other Western nations) the legislators
would, I hope, reject it. However, they are rolling over in order
to accommodate these anti-Christian "noachide laws".

SA>The Noachide Laws which the US Congress & Presidents speak so glowingly
SA>of in their laws do not bring redemption, and do not make a gentile
SA>righteous in the sight of God ... in fact, they mock and blaspheme God,
SA>who so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son to redeem us
SA>where the Law condemned us.

 LL> None of the Framers of the Constitution believed in The Noachide
 LL> Laws. And yet today's politicians proclaim those laws as being the
 LL> "Word of God".

Unfortunately, yes. In that context, I can understand why there is so
much activism in the USA to remove "monuments" of the Ten Commandments
from public places, court buildings etc.

SA>The Noachide Laws (which the New Agers etc market as "Universal Laws")
SA>do not save, and have their origin in Babylon. Rather than saving, they
SA>reject worship of Jesus Christ and prayers to Him as idolatry, punishable
SA>by beheading.

 LL> A while back I had run across a web page citing the history of how
 LL> those laws began.  Can't remember the url, but will try to do
 LL> another search. 

According to the US Congress, they are from the "dawn of civilization";
and according to other sources, they were handed down Adam to Noah to
Moses ... and codified in the Babylonian Talmud. You will find variations
on these sources, but you'll get the general idea.

SA>(snip)

SA>A simple statement of the 7 laws: 1) not to murder. 2) not to worship
SA>idols. 3) not to steal. 4) not to take another's wife or commit
SA>incest. 5) not to eat meat of an animal still alive. 6) not to
SA>blaspheme. 7) to establish well-functioning legal and political
SA>systems. Basically, every person should acknowledge God's Revelation
SA>to Israel, Israel's unique role, and his or her duty to be a decent
SA>human being (plus one "kosher" law above, #5). No one is encouraged to
SA>become Jewish, though some sources feel that study and observance of
SA>the Torah is good for everyone.

SA>(snip)

SA>Source: Torah Outreach Program ....
SA>http://israelvisit.co.il/top/noahides.htm

 LL> Man has always searched for religious truth.  But religious truth
 LL> and political opinion are not one and the same.  Just because some
 LL> Jews believe one thing does not mean that particular view is shared
 LL> by all. Nor does it mean that their view is the correct view.

I think this is where the Rabbis come in, much like the Mullahs in Islam,
to provide interpretations and rulings. It is worth branching out to examine
what moves are afoot to teach Jewish law to jurists in the USA and to apply
it in modern day cases .... eg ... google "Jewish Law" "US Supreme Court"

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Jewish law institute launched in DC

Nov. 9, 2002
By JANINE ZACHARIA

Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Show
Full&cid=1036830287246

Jewish legal experts have created a new institute that will educate
jurists and others about 2,000 years of Jewish law and promote the
application of the teachings to contemporary legal disputes and other
modern-day issues.

The launch of the Washington-based National Institute for Judaic Law
was marked Tuesday night with a kosher dinner at the Supreme Court
attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices - Ruth
Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer, and Antonin Scalia.

US President George W. Bush sent greetings and applauded the institute
for promoting an "understanding of Judaism's rich tradition of legal
thought."

"As we face new challenges and welcome new opportunities, our society
must continue to promote good character and strong values. Through the
study and teaching of Jewish law and philosophy you are contributing
to a growing culture of service, citizenship, and responsibility in
America," Bush wrote.

Scalia, in a letter to the institute's founder, Noson Gurary, wrote
that "Jewish law is certainly one of the oldest and most highly
developed systems" and explained why the comparative study of legal
traditions was beneficial.

"The idea is to make Jewish law more accessible to everyone," said
Washington lawyer Alyza Lewin. Both Lewin and her father Nathan Lewin
are helping establish the institute.

Last year, Alyza Lewin filed a brief to the Supreme Court based on the
Talmud's take on capital punishment when the court was readying to ear
a case on the constitutionality of the electric chair.

"Legal scholars often like to know what other legal traditions have
said about certain issues," said Alyza Lewin.

Filing that kind of opinion is only part of the institute's mandate.

It will also promote the teaching of Jewish law, develop curricula on
Jewish law that can be integrated into traditional law school courses,
and serve as a resource for anyone wanting to know what the vast
Jewish legal tradition has to say on various issues.

The institute's first project, already underway, explores how Jewish
law can be applied to modern-day issues surrounding corporate ethics,
an idea spurred by the recent corporate scandals involving Enron and
Worldcom.

Gurary, who teaches at the State University of New York at Buffalo,
thought up the idea of the institute about nine months ago.

"By demonstrating the philosophy of Jewish law and its moral values,
we can bring a little beacon of light in this world," Gurary said.

"I think this is what we need now, in this day and age."


Source: http://www.jfkmontreal.com/jewish_law.htm

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Cheers, Steve..

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