Text 5376, 111 rader
Skriven 2004-11-26 07:06:28 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 5335 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
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26 Nov 04 00:05, FRANK SCHEIDT wrote to LEE LOFASO:

 FS> Not necessary as it's *you* who are trying to convince *me* a 
 FS> crime was committed.  I have no particular interest in trying to 
 FS> convince *you* otherwise.

 >>LL>You know, as well as I, that American soldiers are not
 >>LL>trained to kill unarmed prisoners.  You know, as well as
 >>LL>I, that American soldiers who commit such war crimes can
 >>LL>be prosecuted.

 >>LL>My position is that American soldiers who commit such war
 >>LL>crimes should be prosecuted.  Now what is your position?

 >>JH>Your position is that you get a warm fuzzy knot in your gut 
 >>JH>whenever you think an American soldier has committed some kind of 
 >>JH>war crime or atrocity.

 >>LL>I am deeply saddened whenever I learn that one of our guys has
 >>LL>committed a war crime, or any other atrocity.

 FS>>So would *I*, Lee.  Where did this take place?  Are you talking
 FS>>about the war crime in WWII, the bombing of Dresden?

 LL>> Although I agree that the Allied bombing of Dresden was a war 
 LL>> crime, we are talking about a recent event in Iraq in which an 
 LL>> unarmed prisoner was executed by an American marine.

Lee doesn't give a damn about war crimes in WWII, that's old news.  He is only
interested in anything that will put the US in a bad light TODAY.

 FS> It took place sixty years ago, true, but OTOH that *was* a war 
 FS> crime on a massive scale.  The defensive shooting by that Marine 
 FS> was not a crime of any sort.

Have to disagree with you on Dresden.  We did not start the practice of making
war on an enemy's civilian population.  The Germans and Japanese are both
guilty of that.  Just as we were accused of unrestricted submarine warfare,
when it was the German U-boat wolf packs that perfected that little twist.  We
were forced into a position of total warfare because it was the only way to
break the will of the German people to support their government, and just as
with the atom bomb, it ultimately cost FEWER lives lost than would have
occurred otherwise.

 >>JH>Your "position" hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the actual
 >>JH>facts of this mosque thing, and you know it.

 >>LL>An American soldier was caught on camera committing a war crime.

 FS>>Where?  You still haven't said WHERE!!

 LL>> In a mosque in Iraq.

 FS> Not what was shown in the news.

 >>JH>When you HAVE an actual position based on real world facts, maybe
 >>JH>then we'll think about having a discussion.

 >>LL>Cameras do not lie.

But biased newsmen do.

 FS>>... [snicker] ... 'scuse me ...

 LL>> Yeah.  The incident makes me want to puke, too.

 FS> You must have a very delicate stomach, Lee ...

 >>JH>I won't hold my freakin' breath.

 >>LL>If an Iraqi soldier had been caught on camera committing a war 
 >>LL>crime, you'd want that soldier executed.  Preferably without a 
 >>LL>trial.

 FS>>And he'd deserve it!

 LL>> Why would an unarmed prisoner deserve to be executed, without a 
 LL>> trial?

Haven't seen any prisoners in this yet.

 FS> If he committed a war crime -- as you've specified -- he'd be 
 FS> deserving of death.  Why waste time and energy in a trial when it 
 FS> has been SPECIFIED that he had committed a war crime?

 >>LL>However, if an American soldier gets caught on camera committing a 
 >>LL>war crime, you'd want to give that soldier a pass, as well as a pat 
 >>LL>on the back.

 FS>>Not so.  Fortunately no American soldier has committed a war
 FS>>crime during the current "war" ...

 LL>> Several American soldiers committed war crimes at Abu Ghraib.
 LL>> The recent incident in Iraq is simply another war crime.  A war
 LL>> crime in which an unarmed prisoner was murdered, without just
 LL>> reason or cause.

 FS> At least one of those soldiers has been convicted and others will 
 FS> be put on trial.

Lee doesn't know what a war crime is.  Beheading of innocent civilians in an
effort to coerce governments is a war crime.  Shooting terrorists playing
possum in a bombed out mosque isn't even on the radar by comparision.

John 

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