Text 5381, 79 rader
Skriven 2004-11-26 08:28:38 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 5365 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Breaking News!
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26 Nov 04 11:02, Björn Forsström wrote to FRANK SCHEIDT:

 BF> -=>> Quoting Björn Forsström to Ed Hulett <=-

 EH>>> The terrorist the Marine shot was NOT a soldier.

 BF>>> Above you had no idea of what he was.

 BF>>>> And a clear building means that everyone inside are dead?

 EH>>> You said that, not me. If all you can do is be intellectually 
 EH>>> dishonest, you can leave.

 BF>>> I didn't say it. Can you see that there is a ? at the end of the
 BF>>> sentence?
 BF>>> And yes, I might as well leave since this was the worst pro 
 BF>>> American echo I ever have seen.
 BF>>> If I don't say Sieg Heil America I can go to hell, can't I?
 BF>>> You just can't  see that someone else have another point of 
 BF>>> wiew...... You just go to Church and confess, say 10 Ave Maria and 
 BF>>> then take you guns and shoot your neighbur, all in the name of 
 BF>>> your God.....and then USA is the worlds biggest porn-movie maker, 
 BF>>> but still, whatever USA does, no one have the right to question 
 BF>>> it.

 FS>> Here's the specific point where you've inadvertently admitted 
 FS>> losing the argument.  I've learned through two decades of posting 
 FS>> on FidoNet that one of the *surest* signs the opposition is losing 
 FS>> the argument is shown when he suggests *my* side is Nazi-oriented.  
 FS>> Using "Sieg Heil" for example is an *admission* you have no valid 
 FS>> arguing points you believe in ... the next step is your comparison 
 FS>> of George W. Bush with Adolf Hitler.  You haven't reached that 
 FS>> point yet ... heh heh heh ...

 BF> When I can't have a normal discussion and where all my words are 
 BF> dismissed as lies and propaganda and all I hear is that "we (aka USA) do 
 BF> whatever we find nessecary and fuck the rest of the world" I don't find it
 BF> nessecary to keep it up in a pleasant way either. Some of you have to come

 BF> down from you high horses and realize that we all are citizens in the same

 BF> world and have to live side by side and that includes a civilized maner 
 BF> where all points of wiews counts.

Now, that's a good illustration of how wrong-headed your thinking is.  There is
right and wrong, good and evil.  That you choose not to acknowledge that
terrorism is wrong/evil is not our problem.  But it also means that when we say
we are going after terrorism regardless of where it is, and regardless of what
nationality the terrorists might be, and that anyone who isn't with us is
against us, you need to reevaluate your position.

There is no one world government.  The UN is not the arbiter of who does what
in the world.  If you choose to try to get along with terrorists in the hope
that they will leave you alone, then you are naive and delusional.  Even if
they initially leave you in peace, there is no guarantee that they will
continue to do so indefinately.  At some point, when it serves THEIR interests,
they will turn on you as they have done every time they want something, and as
always you won't be ready for it.

So, this isn't really a discussion of us being on our high horse, or being
arrogant, etc.  Its really about your unwillingness to accept the fact that the
world is a dangerous place and that evil people will take advantage of anyone
who doesn't stand up to them with hard resolve.  You have a victim mentality
that tries to be safe by placating your oppressors.  That approach has never
worked throughout the history of the world.

Its about time somebody told you the truth, and got you to think about things
from a different angle.  We've tried to show you by example over the last 100
years, yet you continue to view us as the problem.  Is it really any wonder why
many Americans react the way I do when you start telling us how its all our
fault?

John 

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