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Skriven 2004-11-27 16:32:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO
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-=> Quoting Lee Lofaso to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >JH>Stan's right.  Trying to talk to you is
 >JH>a goddamn waste of time and effort.
 >LL>Try debating the issues, rather than massaging
 >LL>your own ego.  Stan should try to do the same.
 >LL>Let's try it from the top.
 >LL>One more time.

 >JH>Yeah, let's.
 >LL>If an American soldier shoots an unarmed prisoner,
 >LL>in cold blood, that is a war crime.  As such, should
 >LL>that American soldier be prosecuted?  Yes, or no?
 >JH>There were no unarmed prisoners, Lee.
 >LL>The prisoner who was killed/murdered/executed by one
 >LL>of our soldiers was unarmed.
 >FS>Who was that, Lee?  And why wasn't it in the news??
 >LL>Some dude with a very strange name...
 
 FS>That would not cause our "news"media to fail to report it.

 LL> Fox News rarely, if ever, reports news that is factual.

You should watch the Fox News Channel, Lee, you'd be a *far* more 
informed person and people might not ridicule you as much.  The 
Fox News Channel has the slogan, "Fair and Balanced" and it 
certainly lives up to that motto.  In fact I *do* wish they'd 
lean against the liberals a bit instead of being so damned fair 
and balanced! 

 >JH>If you say there were, you're a damn liar.
 >LL>It was all caught on camera, and shown to the world.
 >FS>When?  Where?  Why didn't the newsmedia report that crime??
 >LL>The incident occurred in a mosque in Iraq.  The news media reported
 >LL>the incident, showing video of what happened.
 
 FS>Do you mean that Marine who killed the insurgent whom he feared
 FS>was about to try to kill him?

 LL> The American soldier in question was a sissy if he "feared" an unarmed
 LL> prisoner was about to try to kill him.

"Unarmed".  Did you frisk him, Lee?
 
 >JH>Therefore, that Marine couldn't have shot one.
 >LL>But he did.
 >FS>Where?  Who?
 >LL>Do your own homework.
 
 FS>Not necessary as it's *you* who are trying to convince *me* a
 FS>crime was committed.  I have no particular interest in trying to
 FS>convince *you* otherwise.

 LL> Sticking your head in the stand, pretending atrocities are not
 LL> committed by American soldiers, is no excuse.

I'm sure some American soldiers have committed some atrocities.  
The military, after all, has all types of people.  This just 
happens not to have been an atrocity.
 
 >LL>You know, as well as I, that American soldiers are not
 >LL>trained to kill unarmed prisoners.  You know, as well as
 >LL>I, that American soldiers who commit such war crimes can
 >LL>be prosecuted.

 >LL>My position is that American soldiers who commit such war
 >LL>crimes should be prosecuted.  Now what is your position?
 >JH>Your position is that you get a warm fuzzy knot in your gut whenever
 >JH>you think an American soldier has committed some kind of war crime or
 >JH>atrocity.

 >LL>I am deeply saddened whenever I learn that one of our guys has
 >LL>committed a war crime, or any other atrocity.

 >FS>So would *I*, Lee.  Where did this take place?  Are you talking
 >FS>about the war crime in WWII, the bombing of Dresden?
 
 >LL>Although I agree that the Allied bombing of Dresden was a war crime,
 >LL>we are talking about a recent event in Iraq in which an unarmed
 >LL>prisoner was executed by an American marine.
 
 FS>It took place sixty years ago, true, but OTOH that *was* a war
 FS>crime on a massive scale.  The defensive shooting by that Marine
 FS>was not a crime of any sort.

 LL> Executing unarmed prisoners is a war crime.

True ... so?
 
 >JH>Your "position" hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the actual
 >JH>facts of this mosque thing, and you know it.
 >LL>An American soldier was caught on camera committing a war crime.
 >FS>Where?  You still haven't said WHERE!!
 >LL>In a mosque in Iraq.
 
 FS>Not what was shown in the news.

 LL> Fox News rarely, if ever, reports news that is factual.
 
You should watch the Fox News Channel, Lee, you'd be a *far* more 
informed person and people might not ridicule you as much.  The 
Fox News Channel has the slogan, "Fair and Balanced" and it 
certainly lives up to that motto.  In fact I *do* wish they'd 
lean against the liberals a bit instead of being so damned fair 
and balanced! 

 >JH>When you HAVE an actual position based on real world facts, maybe
 >JH>then we'll think about having a discussion.
 >LL>Cameras do not lie.

 >FS>... [snicker] ... 'scuse me ...

 >LL>Yeah.  The incident makes me want to puke, too.
 
 FS>You must have a very delicate stomach, Lee ...

 LL> Only when American soldiers commit atrocities and/or war crimes.

Thank goodness we haven't seen any reported yet!
 
 >JH>I won't hold my freakin' breath.
 >LL>If an Iraqi soldier had been caught on camera committing a war crime,
 >LL>you'd want that soldier executed.  Preferably without a trial.

 >FS>And he'd deserve it!

 >LL>Why would an unarmed prisoner deserve to be executed, without a trial?
 
 FS>If he committed a war crime -- as you've specified -- he'd be
 FS>deserving of death.  Why waste time and energy in a trial when it
 FS>has been SPECIFIED that he had committed a war crime?

 LL> The American soldier who committed that war crime should be
 LL> prosecuted. However, no individual is deserving of the death penalty. 
 LL> Even those individuals who have committed war crimes.

Lee in insisting that he committed a war crime you're merely 
holding yourself to ridicule.  Let's wait and see what the 
investigation finds out.  We *both* know the military isn't going 
to give an Enlisted Swine a break, so if that Marine *did* commit 
a crime he'll pay the price.
 
 >LL>However, if an American soldier gets caught on camera committing a war
 >LL>crime, you'd want to give that soldier a pass, as well as a pat on the
 >LL>back.

 >FS>Not so.  Fortunately no American soldier has committed a war
 >FS>crime during the current "war" ...

 >LL>Several American soldiers committed war crimes at Abu Ghraib.
 >LL>The recent incident in Iraq is simply another war crime.  A war
 >LL>crime in which an unarmed prisoner was murdered, without just
 >LL>reason or cause.
 
 FS>At least one of those soldiers has been convicted and others will
 FS>be put on trial.

 LL> There was only one American soldier who executed the unarmed prisoner.
 LL> To date, that American soldier has not been prosecuted or convicted.

Maybe because people who actually *know* what happened see no 
reason to prosecute a Marine who was simply doing his duty.

... Cats *are* the higher purpose of the universe.

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