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BF>BF>> VH> I take it you have never been in combat?

BF>BF>>No and I'm proud abot it.

BF> VH> Cowardice is nothing to be proud of.

BF>I fail to see the connection between cowardice and not having killed another
BF>human beeing.

You fail to see the connection between cowardice and trading with the
Nazis and other dictators?  You fail to see the connection between
cowardice and sitting by while masses of people are driven from their
homes, brutalized and murdered -- right there in Europe?

BF> VH> Yes.  Also in Egypt, Syria, and a few other countries int this region.

BF>And when was that and whom did you fight against?
BF>I have been to Bulgaria, Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Germany, Belgium,
BF>Holland, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Luxemburg, Czech Republic, England,
BF> Scotland, Finland and Russia but still haven't killed a single soul.

And not helped anyone, either.


BF> VH>         1.  You don't know what you're talking about.

BF>But I'm pretty sure thet you do, or am I?

Yes, I do -- I have long experience in this particular issue, combat.


BF> VH>         2.  You have done nothing to contribute to a solution.

BF>Not personally no, but Sweden have.

Like what? Sitting on your butts?  Trading with dictators, in violation
of UN rules, and helping him brutalize his people?

BF> VH>         3.  You are guided by prejudice.

BF>And I'm pretty sure that you aren't, or am I?

Having more knowledge and experience, I am in a better position to be
objective than you are.

BF> VH> No?  How long will Sweden be free of terrorism if it succeeds in
BF> VH> overrunning the rest of Europe?

BF>I don't know since we dont' have any known enemy.

Well, you'll have one soon if we fail.


BF> VH> It means, you have no idea what you're talking about.

BF>So just because I haven't been in combat tell you I'm a real idiot?

No, it's your pontification on matters where you have no knowledge or
experience that tells me what you are.


BF>BF>>I would make sure before doing anything.

BF> VH> Tell me how you do that.  You've got one second -- too late!!  You're
BF> VH> dead!

BF>In "real" combat, yes. But not while entering a room whitch is only occupied
BF>by wounded prisoners.

That IS real combat -- but not having any experience, you wouldn't
understand that, would you?


BF> VH> If you had you'd know that second only to valor, caution is a soldier's
BF> VH> greatest virtue.  (Apologies to Colonel Karl Brumback.)

BF>Can we add "patience" to that?

No.  You don't shoot because you're impatient -- you shoot because your
life is threatened.

BF> VH> A friend of mine and I were discussing it not long ago -- he said
BF> VH> something that I've heard from every combat veteran I've ever known, "I
BF> VH> happens just like THAT!!"

BF>I'm sure it *can* but not every time.

Well, when you lay YOUR life on the line, you can make that decision.
But be a sport and tell the men around you, so they don't die because
of your mistaken approach to the issue.

BF> VH> In combat, your life can be snuffed out in the snap of a finger.  A sim
BF> VH> mistake -- simply craning your head too far forward, or stepping over a
BF> VH> "dead" man (as I did once) can end your life before you know what
BF> VH> happened.

BF>Obviously you made it and in combat I guess thing like this can happend and
BF>a war isn't the most healthy to place to be in.

Now you begin to understand.

BF> VH> And you know that, how?  What personal experience of yours tells you th
BF> VH> he "could have done something else to secure that prisoner?"

BF>If you say that there are no other option then to shoot, I'm sure that this
BF>wasn't
BF>the last time we did see something like that.
BF>And what is then going on that we don't have a Clue<tm> about.

YOU may not have a clue (but we know that.)  Others with experience know
a bit more.

BF> VH> I am one of our soldiers.  I served for 22 years, and as a retired
BF> VH> regular, remain on the rolls of the United States Army.

BF>And that makes you a mind reader......?

No, it makes me a man with experience and training.  It makes me a man
with something more than mere imagination when it comes to interpreting
events.


BF> VH> Then where do you get the authority to tell us what men in combat shoul
BF> VH> do?

BF>You must at least be able to ask yourself: Did I do the right thing here or
BF>could
BF>I have something else to spare that humans life?
BF>You make it as easy as killing flies.

Again, you've never been in combat, have you?

BF> VH> He only needs a reasonable suspicion -- he isn't required to put the li
BF> VH> of a war criminal above his own.

BF>Then the word "patience" comes to mind.

No, the phrase "I'm about to die" comes to mind.
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