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Skriven 2004-12-02 11:04:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
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-=> Quoting Björn Forsström to Frank Scheidt <=-

 BF>> The we are back to square one.
 BF>> Why do I have to believe you then? Just because you are American?
 
 FS> You didn't read what I said, "I don't think I *have* to do that"? Read it!

 BF> I don't *have* to either but it's a matter of certain trust, isn't it?
 BF> To keep up a "normal" discussion takes an amout of trust from both
 BF> sides. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 BF> If I should believe what you are saying you just have to believe what
 BF> I'm saying, otheweise we can drop all of this right away.
 BF> Just because this with N379P hasn't been on American news doesn't
 BF> mean it haven't happend and when a Swedish Minister in national TV
 BF> says it have, well, who is then to say she is lying? And why the 'ech
 BF> should she? Especially when it's compromising herself and when I say
 BF> it's been on Swedish news you just *have* to trust me, wouln't you?

 BF> And what's om the news here now is that none Swedish poloticians have
 BF> under at least 20 years never called in sick and that's because, if
 BF> they do, they only get 80% in sallary. And still, at least one of them
 BF> have done a knee-operation and demonstrably have been in a hospital!
 BF> Then this is the people that are the ones to decide over my sickness
 BF> benefit. Real assholes is what they are.

I don't trust newspapers a great deal.  However I have learned to 
read between the lines -- to determine what they say is 
*probably* true, what is *possibly* true, and what is almostly 
certainly *not* true.  I've been an avid newspaper reader since I 
was a kid ... other kids would look for the comics first while 
*I* would look for the editorial page.  It's because of this 
familiarity with how newspapers operate that I can say because of 
the *absence* of that N379P story it *almost* certainly is false.

Now you mention that a high ranking politician in Sweden says 
it's true and that she wouldn't risk her career saying something 
like that when it cannot be proven.  I don't know about Swedish 
politicians but I can confidently say that on occasion *American* 
politicians will make claims which can be disproven.

Having said all that I must admit that *maybe* your N379P story 
is *true* ... after all there's a *slight* chance that a comet 
will hit me tomorrow ...
 
 FS> As for believing *me*, you don't *have* to ... who said you did?  However
 FS> since it's extremely rare for me to actually lie, you might as well
 FS> believe me.  Of course why should you believe *that*?  You see, it's
 FS> because of *that*, that I say I learn about a given person only by
 FS> conversing with him over a long-enough period of time ... do you believe
 FS> *that*?  I don't use words as carelessly as you appear to believe.

 BF> Then we are in the same boat, hopefully rowing in the same direction.

Maybe rowing upstream ...
 
 FS> Your last sentence was unnecessary.  After all, who can tell what another
 FS> person will *believe* -- *really* believe?  In any event the Marine, upon
 FS> entering that room said something like, "Watch out!  He's moving.  He's
 FS> not dead." ... shots ... "he is now" ... then consider the immediate past
 FS> in that Marine's life.  The day before, or so, he had seen a friend blown
 FS> up by a "dead" or, perhaps, suicidal terrorist.  He was in a very
 FS> stressful situation and was right in being extremely cautious in the
 FS> presence of someone who *might* be "playing possum" (I presume they have
 FS> opossums in Sweden.)

 BF> No we don't but I see what you mean.
 BF> But just because he was moving doesn't mean he must have to be killed.
 
That's true however there's the possibility that the Marine saw 
the terrorist had a weapon.  There's no need for him to say 
something like "Lookout!  He's armed!" which would have been 
recorded on the tape.  He might have seen a weapon -- or what he 
*thought* was a weapon then fired.

 FS> Finally, this single incident, taken in the context of a war on terror, is
 FS> *trivial* -- except to someone who is anti-American in the first place,
 FS> hence grasps every opportunity to make the U.S. look bad!  And *no* I
 FS> don't consider a violent death to be "trivial" to the person involved but
 FS> we must be reasonable here and consider the immediate past history of the
 FS> Marine.

 BF> I understand but we must even see to the past history of the once on
 BF> the other side as well. They are only humans, all of them. What can he
 BF> have been seeing and what was his experience of what happend the day
 BF> before when other Marines took that building.

True enough, but we'll never know that ...

... Famous last words:  Boy, what beautiful thunder clouds.

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