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BF> VH> You follow in the tradition of trading with, rather than combating evil

BF>And you follow the tradition of interfering in other countries internal
BF>affairs.


So we SHOULDN'T have fought the Nazis?

BF> VH> What defense did Poland, or Norway have?

BF>None, and look what happend.
BF>I have no Clue<tm> about why Hitler didn't invade Sweden but he didn't invad
BF>Schwitzerland either.

Because both nations collaborated with him.

Are you proud of that?

BF> VH> I fought against the North Vietnamese, and had one little shooting scra
BF> VH> with the North Koreans.  But I have extensive experience in the Middle
BF> VH> East.

BF>As what? Ambassador?

Lived and worked there.

BF> VH> That's about it.  You do nothing, and blackguard those who really help.

BF>What else can I do? Shoot them?

How about go where the problems are and help solve them?

When Bosnian women were being held in camps and raped by their Serb
guards, didn't you at least feel some urge to go and help them?

BF> VH> Clearly you don't understand combat.

BF>I do undersatand that people get killed.

No, you don't -- when you've been wounded a couple of times, when you've
seen men next to you kill, THEN you'll understand.

BF> VH> You tell me -- what Sweden have done? :-)

BF> VH> Nothing.

BF>I give up. You just don't want to know.

I'd love to know -- but you've tipped your hand.  If Sweden HAD done
anything -- anything to be proud of -- you'd have told us long before
this. :-)

BF> VH> Swedish troops didn't rush to the defense of Norway when she was attack
BF> VH> by Germany.

BF>Neither was Switzerland, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Bolivia or
BF>Colombia
BF>aso. so what's your point?

Actually, several of those nations (Brazil, South Africa, and Columbia)
DID contribute troops to the Allied war effort.

But you're using the old, "The other kids do it, too" whine.  It wasn't
justification when I was a kid, and it still isn't.


BF> VH> We don't need a permission slip from the crooks who were taking money f
BF> VH> Saddam Hussain under the table.

BF>The problem is that you don't need a permission from anyone to do what you d

That's right -- and it's not a problem.  If we DID need to ask the
crooks and collaborators before we could act, that would be a problem.

BF> VH> You fail to see a lot of things, primarily because you are unable to ma
BF> VH> sense of the world through the basis of experience.

BF>Yuo do it from the experience of what is good for USA.

As opposed to Sweden, which refrained from coming to the aid of her
fellow Europeans in one crisis after another, choosing instead to
collaborate and trade with the enemy because it was good for Sweden?


BF>BF>>That's understandable but here it wasn't.

BF> VH> And you know that, how?

BF>From the film I saw.

From seeing a video (not a film), of an incident you aren't qualified to
judge, you decided the Marine was wrong.

BF> VH> In combat, you act on what evidence you have in front of you.  And this
BF> VH> Marine saw what appeared to be a man faking death.  Given that other
BF> VH> Marines had been killed by people doing exactly that -- and that he had
BF> VH> very limited time to save his own life, he acted.

BF>"And this Marine saw what -appeared- to be a man faking death"

Yep -- and did what anyone else with half a brain would have done.

BF> VH> I know the enemy has a policy of committing war crimes, including
BF> VH> treacherously asking for quarter (faking surrender), boobytrapping
BF> VH> corpses, and committing suicide attacks -- often by wounded men who cal
BF> VH> out for a doctor, then detonate a bomb or grenade to kill those who com
BF> VH> to aid them.

BF>It's their way of fighting. They don't have any Smart Bombs, helicpoters or
BF>Thomahawks.

And that makes it all right?  It's okay for them to commit crimes like
this?  You endorse terrorism?
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