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Skriven 2004-12-04 08:20:28 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 5606 av Ed Connell (1:379/1.6)
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 EC>>> This marine was operating in an unsecured environment.  I.e., it was
 EC>>> combat.

 BrF>> But why didn't any of his partners do anything?

 EC> Like what?

I don't know, it's you who have all the answers.

 BrF>>>> You have a good point here and I'm not defending either. They both do
 BrF>>>> what they think is right but with the answer in hand it's easy to be
 BrF>>>> wise after the event.

 EC>>> When you equated the guilt, you were saying that they were operating
 EC>>> under similar circumstances, and that just was not the case.

 BrF>> Sorry, don't follow you here.

 EC> You equated the conduct of the marine and those who beheaded.  One was in
 EC> combat and the other was not.  Different situations.

I see.
I equate the killings as such but never said that either one is Ok.
As long there is a single American soldier in Iraq they might see it as they
are in
combat.

 EC>>> The head guy is from Jordan if I am not mistaken.

 BrF>> That might be so, I don't know.

 EC> And?

Now I know he is.


 BrF>> I don't think they hate you either but we must have the right to
 BrF>> question your doings when it have an impact on us or on human rights.

 EC> Question all you like.  I don't think your questions will determine our
 EC> decisions though.

I don't think so either.

 EC> You choose to condemn.  So you condemn.  Arguments from my side have no
 EC> effect on your thinking.  That is, your mind is closed.

*My* mind is open and trying to see if he could have done someting else but
your
mind is closed and only says that he did the right ting.

 BrF>>>> I'm not trying to lecture anyone, just trying to make you understand
 BrF>>>> why all this shit is happening to you.

 EC>>> What is happening to me?  Do you think I care that much that you are
 EC>>> wrong?

 BrF>> For one you have to pay more tax to finance this war and obviously you
 BrF>> don't.

 EC> So am I complaining?

I think you should concider doing that.

 EC>>> We have oppressed no one.  We have liberated 50 millilion.  Stuff that
 EC>>> into your pipe.

 BrF>> And how many did you kill in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and still are doing
 BrF>> in Iraq? Can this be about 10 million? They are still dying in Japan as
 BrF>> well... Stuff *that* into *your* pipe.

 EC> WWII?  Holy cow.  You just change the subject when you have no steam.  We
 EC> were talking about our current actions.  Of course I don't mind talking
 EC> about WWII.  Ours is a much easier position to defend than Sweden's.

 EC> The deal is that we have, by our current actions liberated millions.  What
 EC> have you done but complain.

If we should stick to the current situation in Iraq I would guess just as much
as
you personally have done. Nothing.
If we speek about what our counties have done, Sweden didn't like you starting
the war in the first place so why should we back up someting we don't believe
in? Does USA back up something you don't believe in?
And why just condemn Sweden for doing nothing? How many countries are fighting
in Iraq? USA and England as far as I know. Why aren't you condemning any other
of the about 250 countries on this earth like Russia, China, France, Burkina
Faso,
India, Thailand, Angola and Botswana?

 BrF>> And what dictators in the UN are you reffering to? And why should you
 BrF>> listen to any of the worlds 200 or 300 or whatever, countries. Who is
 BrF>> dictating whom?

 EC> What countries are as free and open as the US?

Sweden, Noway, Finland, Denmark, England, France.....ehhh just about the
entire Europe. Your point?

 BrF>> Well, I am and the former English ambassador in Uzbekistan Craig Murray
 BrF>> is and the Minister of Foregin Affairs in Sweden is and so are the
 BrF>> entire UN and your own universities are but I can understan that you
 BrF>> don't. It's embarrassing for you.

 EC> It is?  Funny, I hadn't noticed.  That I don't accept your
 EC> characterization of what happened should be no surprise given the way you
 EC> have misrepresented so much before.

Before I was discussing, now I'm presenting facts that you don't like.

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