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Skriven 2004-12-05 15:59:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av FRANK SCHEIDT
Ärende: Breaking News!
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Hello Frank,

>LL>Dropping atomic bombs saved no lives, given that Japan was ready
>LL>and willing to surrender weeks before.

>FS>Not so!  see above ...

>LL>The reason for dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese cities had
>LL>nothing to do with ending the War in the Pacific.  Japan had already
>LL>offered to surrender conditionally, weeks before the United States
>LL>nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

>FS>It had *everything* with ending that phase of the war!!

>LL>It kept the war from becoming a US/USSR confrontation.

FS>Fortunately for the Russians -- *if* what you say is true, of
FS>course.

I never lie.

>LL>So what was the reason?  The United States wanted to send a message to
>LL>Russia.  Truman called up Stalin on the hotline and told him, in no
>LL>unspecific terms, "We have atomic bombs, and are willing to use them.
>LL>This is what happened to two Japanese cities. The same will happen to
>LL>Russian cities if you try to invade northern Japan."

>FS>Truman told Stalin face-to-face at the conference they held in
>FS>Teheran(?) after the German surrender.  Stalin already knew of
>FS>the bomb thanks to the traitor Oppenheimer who kept his commie
>FS>friends fully informed.

>LL>Some American generals did not want to stop with the a-bombing of
>LL>Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wanting to do away with Russian cities as
>LL>well. And had Truman listened to those generals, there would be no more
>LL>world today.

FS>Patton, among others wanted to invade Russia.

Patton wanted the Nazis to invade Russia.

FS>That might have been a good idea except for the fact that it would
FS>have kept me in uniform -- not a good thing at all ... [sigh] ... I
FS>had had enough of the military life and wanted out ...

Once the Nazis succeeded in invading Russia, America would then
overthrow the Nazis.  At least, that was Patton's plan.

>LL>When Truman talked, Stalin listened.

>FS>Yeah ...

>LL>By George, I think you've got it!

FS>I *always* have ... [sigh] ...

Yeah.  But sometimes I have to remind you.  :)

>LL>We had the a-bomb, the Russians did not.
>LL>Stalin knew it, and knew we would use those
>LL>a-bombs.  And not just on Japanese cities.

FS>And we had the delivery systems ...

Good ol' B-52 bombers.  Made in the U.S. of A.

>LL>Militarily, Japan was already
>LL>soundly defeated.  Dropping atomic bombs on Japanese cities gave us no
>LL>advantage, and only served to antagonize the Japanese people, as well
>LL>as the world.

>FS>What it *did* do was to finally galvanize the Jap Emperor to
>FS>*quit*.

>LL>Emperor Hirohito was ready to throw in the towel months before.
>LL>Heck, he never liked the idea of war with America in the first place.

>FS>How do you know that??

>LL>Hirohito told me so.

FS>You shouldn't have paid so much attention to him ...

Hirohito was a god.  And when a god talks, people listen.

FS>                        ... [snip] ...

>LL>As a nation, we should be ashamed of ourselves for having nuked two
>LL>Japanese cities, thus ending the lives of over a hundred thousand
>LL>innocent civilians.

>FS>Actually "Hiroshima Day" should be a day of *national*
>FS>*celebration* in the USA!!!!

>LL>Americans do not celebrate the annihilation of life, but rather the
>LL>continuation of life.  That is why Americans cheered the end of the
>LL>war, with our troops coming home.  Women finally got to be with their
>LL>men, and made plenty babies as a result.  "Make love, not war" became
>LL>the new battlecry for Americans everywhere...

>FS>"Hiroshima Day" would be in celebration of the mammoth saving of
>FS>lives thanks to the dropping of the atomic bomb!

>LL>Americans do not celebrate death.  Nor do Americans want to celebrate
>LL>death.  Americans are about life.  And celebrating life.  Not death.

FS>But, Lee, "Hiroshima Day" would be the celebration of LIFE!   Of
FS>lives saved by dropping two bombs!

We celebrate victory day, not bombing day.

>LL>Not to mention the hundreds of thousands more
>LL>who died as a result of radiation poisoning in the decades since.
>LL>Notice that no other nation on Earth has dropped nukes on cities.
>LL>There is a reason why.

>FS>Because *we* have more of them ...

>LL>Reducing the world's stockpiles of nuclear weapons is what is needed.

>FS>Right.  The United States should be the only nation with nukes
>FS>then there could be *true* peace on earth!

>LL>America should ensure that nukes are never used anywhere on Earth.
>LL>And the best way to do that is to see that all nukes around the world
>LL>are turned in to the United Nations.  Including those nukes in
>LL>America. With no nation in possession of nuclear weapons, peace on
>LL>Earth will have then become a reality, rather than a mere fantasy.

FS>The UN is a worthless organization.  The entire world should
FS>destroy their nukes -- leaving the U.S. with the only supply as
FS>*we* have demonstrated we know how to use them responsibly ...

Folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki beg to disagree...

--Lee


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