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Skriven 2004-12-06 23:32:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO
Ärende: Breaking News!
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-=> Quoting Lee Lofaso to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >LL>Dropping atomic bombs saved no lives, given that Japan was ready
 >LL>and willing to surrender weeks before.
 
 >FS>Not so!  see above ...
 
 >LL>The reason for dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese cities had
 >LL>nothing to do with ending the War in the Pacific.  Japan had already
 >LL>offered to surrender conditionally, weeks before the United States
 >LL>nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
 >FS>It had *everything* with ending that phase of the war!!
 
 >LL>It kept the war from becoming a US/USSR confrontation.
 
 FS>Fortunately for the Russians -- *if* what you say is true, of
 FS>course.

 LL> I never lie.

So those false statements you usually make are things you 
actually *believe*??  Amazing!
 
 >LL>So what was the reason?  The United States wanted to send a message to
 >LL>Russia.  Truman called up Stalin on the hotline and told him, in no
 >LL>unspecific terms, "We have atomic bombs, and are willing to use them.
 >LL>This is what happened to two Japanese cities. The same will happen to
 >LL>Russian cities if you try to invade northern Japan."
 
 >FS>Truman told Stalin face-to-face at the conference they held in
 >FS>Teheran(?) after the German surrender.  Stalin already knew of
 >FS>the bomb thanks to the traitor Oppenheimer who kept his commie
 >FS>friends fully informed.
 
 >LL>Some American generals did not want to stop with the a-bombing of
 >LL>Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wanting to do away with Russian cities as
 >LL>well. And had Truman listened to those generals, there would be no more
 >LL>world today.
 
 FS>Patton, among others wanted to invade Russia.

 LL> Patton wanted the Nazis to invade Russia.

Not so.  Patton was quoted as saying he was willing to drive to 
Berlin, *through* Berlin and all the way to Moscow.  We didn't 
like that kind of talk since we wanted to get *out* of the 
military and return home.
 
 FS>That might have been a good idea except for the fact that it would
 FS>have kept me in uniform -- not a good thing at all ... [sigh] ... I
 FS>had had enough of the military life and wanted out ...

 LL> Once the Nazis succeeded in invading Russia, America would then
 LL> overthrow the Nazis.  At least, that was Patton's plan.

Not so ... see above ...
 
 >LL>When Truman talked, Stalin listened.
 
 >FS>Yeah ...
 
 >LL>By George, I think you've got it!
 
 FS>I *always* have ... [sigh] ...

 LL> Yeah.  But sometimes I have to remind you.  :)

Now if I could only get *rid* of it ... [sigh] ...
 
 >LL>We had the a-bomb, the Russians did not.
 >LL>Stalin knew it, and knew we would use those
 >LL>a-bombs.  And not just on Japanese cities.
 
 FS>And we had the delivery systems ...

 LL> Good ol' B-52 bombers.  Made in the U.S. of A.

Not during WWII ...
 
 >LL>Militarily, Japan was already
 >LL>soundly defeated.  Dropping atomic bombs on Japanese cities gave us no
 >LL>advantage, and only served to antagonize the Japanese people, as well
 >LL>as the world.
 
 >FS>What it *did* do was to finally galvanize the Jap Emperor to
 >FS>*quit*.
 
 >LL>Emperor Hirohito was ready to throw in the towel months before.
 >LL>Heck, he never liked the idea of war with America in the first place.
 
 >FS>How do you know that??
 
 >LL>Hirohito told me so.
 
 FS>You shouldn't have paid so much attention to him ...

 LL> Hirohito was a god.  And when a god talks, people listen.

Are you a Shintoist?
 
 FS>                        ... [snip] ...
 
 >LL>As a nation, we should be ashamed of ourselves for having nuked two
 >LL>Japanese cities, thus ending the lives of over a hundred thousand
 >LL>innocent civilians.
 
 >FS>Actually "Hiroshima Day" should be a day of *national*
 >FS>*celebration* in the USA!!!!
 
 >LL>Americans do not celebrate the annihilation of life, but rather the
 >LL>continuation of life.  That is why Americans cheered the end of the
 >LL>war, with our troops coming home.  Women finally got to be with their
 >LL>men, and made plenty babies as a result.  "Make love, not war" became
 >LL>the new battlecry for Americans everywhere...
 
 >FS>"Hiroshima Day" would be in celebration of the mammoth saving of
 >FS>lives thanks to the dropping of the atomic bomb!
 
 >LL>Americans do not celebrate death.  Nor do Americans want to celebrate
 >LL>death.  Americans are about life.  And celebrating life.  Not death.
 
 FS>But, Lee, "Hiroshima Day" would be the celebration of LIFE!   Of
 FS>lives saved by dropping two bombs!

 LL> We celebrate victory day, not bombing day.

Right and "Hiroshima Day" would *be* VICTORY DAY!
 
 >LL>Not to mention the hundreds of thousands more
 >LL>who died as a result of radiation poisoning in the decades since.
 >LL>Notice that no other nation on Earth has dropped nukes on cities.
 >LL>There is a reason why.
 
 >FS>Because *we* have more of them ...
 
 >LL>Reducing the world's stockpiles of nuclear weapons is what is needed.
 
 >FS>Right.  The United States should be the only nation with nukes
 >FS>then there could be *true* peace on earth!
 
 >LL>America should ensure that nukes are never used anywhere on Earth.
 >LL>And the best way to do that is to see that all nukes around the world
 >LL>are turned in to the United Nations.  Including those nukes in
 >LL>America. With no nation in possession of nuclear weapons, peace on
 >LL>Earth will have then become a reality, rather than a mere fantasy.
 
 FS>The UN is a worthless organization.  The entire world should
 FS>destroy their nukes -- leaving the U.S. with the only supply as
 FS>*we* have demonstrated we know how to use them responsibly ...

 LL> Folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki beg to disagree...

They're prejudiced ...

... Don't be depressed ÄÄ even maggots serve a purpose ...

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