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Skriven 2004-12-12 23:23:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BJöRN FORSSTRöM
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-=> Quoting Björn Forsström to Frank Scheidt <=-

 BF>> Still, you send soldiers to a war who aren't fully equipted wheter they
 BF>> are reserve or National Guard.
 
 FS> Commanders do what they think best ... I have never commanded any troops
 FS> ... thus asking *me* about this is a waste of time for both of us ...

 BF> And sometimes even this Commanders makes misstakes.
 BF> Not even they arre foolproof.

Of course everyone makes mistakes ... that's human nature ...
 
 BF>> It tells ME you are jeopardizing the lives of your own soldiers.
 
 FS> It doesn't tell *me* at all, since the safety of our entire nation of
 FS> about 300 million people is more important than the safety of a few
 FS> soldiers.  After all, *each* of those soldier is a volunteer.

 BF> Now all of a sudden they are "disposable"?

I wouldn't put it *that* way.  Non-human things are disposable, 
humans *never* are ... my point was that each and every one of 
those soldiers *volunteered* for the job.  The function of our 
army is to protect our nation, hence they *volunteered* to get in 
harms way if that was called for.

 BF> How can a war in Iraq be threatning to 300 million people in USA so
 BF> you now can say this? Regardless if they are volunteers or not.
 
I think we've gone through this before:  Brief summary -- five 
nations told GWBush that Saddam had WMDs.  He wouldn't *dare* use 
them directly against us for we'd demolish his nation if he did. 
What he *would* do would be to give terrorists such weapons to 
use against us.  He could always deny knowing anything about it.  
Don't forget, he was paying every Palestinian family who produced 
a suicide/bomber against Israel $25,000.

 BF>> mmmmm....... where the rest of USA should be...... in Hollywood.
 
 FS> Huh?

 BF> It was ment as some sort of a joke just as the war in Iraq somehow
 BF> have been and I'm thinking of about the WMD:s if you undersatand me
 BF> right. 

 BF>> Can they be seeing it from my poit of wiew?
 BF>> Nothing is worth to sacrifice my life for.
 
 FS> *Nothing*?   I cannot believe that.  *Everyone* has *some* high
 FS> values -- aside from his own neck.  *I* would certainly die for the U.S.A.
 FS> if called upon to do so.

 BF> My own neck IS what I value the most. I would never ever go to a war
 BF> if Sweden told me to do so but I would defend myself if anyone should
 BF> come here. That's the way we are brought up and nothing could ever
 BF> change that, I would rather go to prison then kill someone in another
 BF> country that haven't done anything to me. I hope you can understand
 BF> that in the same way I can understand why you are in Iraq.

If you've been brought up to think that way it's understandable 
that your attitude is what it is.  Americans are brought up -- 
well *my* generation was -- to support this nation.  That 
includes volunteering for the armed forces to defend the nation.
 
 BF>>> But I guess that someone of you will say that this is also anti-American
 BF>>> propaganda
 
 FS>> It is when you don't tell the *whole* story ...
 
 BF>> Neither you or I know the whole story.
 
 FS> But you told only part of it.  You *knew* the rest.

 BF> No, I didn't but I do now thanks to you.
 
OK ...

 BF>> What I said about Laila Freiwalds and N379P was widely broadcasted on the
 BF>> Swedish news that's also available via sattelite here in Europea and no
 BF>> one listned to that.
 
 FS> We've gone through that and ended it I thought.

 BF> When we can end the talk about WWII I'm willing to do so.
 
OK ...

 BF>>> Rumsfelt wasn't even in Kuwait. That was an illution.
 
 FS>> Huh?
 
 BF>> Just like Laila Freiwalds, remember....
 
 FS> No, I don't ...

 BF> Short memmory?
 
I cannot *remember* seeing her when I've never seen her ...

 BF>>> May I ask if someone of you have lost anyone in Iraq?
 
 FS>> I don't even *know* anyone over there ...
 
 BF>> Guess that that makes it easy for you.
 
 FS> If it makes it easy for me to be objective about protecting America,
 FS> that's *always* been the case with me.  I don't operate on an emotional
 FS> basis.

 BF> You don't think that your enemy sees it the same way?

I am no expert WRT the thoughts of terrorists.  In fact I'm 
certain they and I think along different lines.  I could *never* 
deliberately kill innocent civilians as they can, for one thing.  
I've never killed anyone and if I ever did it would be to defend 
myself.

 BF> If you all wouldn't, perhaps this world would be a better place.....?
 
It certainly would be a better place if all the terrorists would 
suddenly become civilized.

 BF>> Actually, there wasn't any real threat against US soil (excep from Pearl
 BF>> Harbour) so
 BF>> you did then and are doing now is to fight on enemy soil and that isn't
 BF>> exactly what
 BF>> I call to defend one self, if you get what I mean.
 
 FS> That's the best place to fight a defensive war -- in the enemy's soil!!

 BF> I understand that but then do as I have said before, do it for the
 BF> right reason
 BF> and in the right country, then I don't think that the world-opinion
 BF> should be against you.

As you should know, GWBush had good evidence that invading Iraq 
*was* the proper thing to do ... as for world opinion, that's the 
world's problem not ours.

... A journey of a thousand miles starts where the feet are.

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