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Skriven 2004-12-16 06:28:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BJöRN FORSSTRöM
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 FS> Based upon my experience in the U.S. Army during WWII I'd say if a soldier
 FS> questions mistakes he had better do it very, very carefully.  In general,
 FS> the opinions of Enlisted Swine were not sought.

 BF> Hope that something to the better have happend in 60 years then.

We served under The Articles of War.  After WWII the military 
justice system was changed radically.  I'm not familiar with the 
details.
 
 BF>> What answer do you think you will get today if you would ask a majority
 BF>> of the American teenagers?
 
 FS> Good question.  I think the response would be far less general than it was
 FS> following the Jap attack of Pearl Harbor -- the World Trade Center bombing
 FS> elicited a lot of patriotism, but it didn't
 FS> last.   During WWII, patriotism was strong all during the war.
 FS> This time things have more or less gotten back to normal.  The nation
 FS> isn't mobilized the way we were in WWII.  Of course back then our
 FS> *freedom* as a nation was at stake.  There's no such situation today.

 BF> I agree.
 
 FS> There's no way terrorists can conquer the nation -- they can only cause a
 FS> lot of scattered misery.

 BF> I agree.
 
 BF>> And now even the Swedish PM, Göran Persson, have agreed to that the
 BF>> Americans were the once who did the transporting of the two Egyptians to
 BF>> Egypt. It's now up on the highest political level here.
 
 FS> I'm surprised no mention of it has been made here ...

 BF> As I have said before, it isn't *that* big here either but it's
 BF> mentioned on the
 BF> news.
 
OK, if it's merely an incidental item in Swedish papers it might 
just not have been considered of sufficient American interest for 
our "news"media to pick it up.

 FS> Intense hatred is almost a mental flaw rather than merely righteous
 FS> indignation directed toward some injustice.

 BF> When intense hatered turns into fanaticism it's dangerous.
 
True enough ...

 BF>> I agree but that will never happend I guess. Fanatics will always exist
 BF>> in one way or another.
 
 FS> Fanaticism is a mental problem ...

 BF> That's very hard to do someting about. They don't listen to logical
 BF> reason. 

About all one can do is to assume a defensive posture.

 FS> No president should be considered a fool for believing the conclusions of
 FS> not only his own intelligence serves but those of several other nations
 FS> also.  There are either fools involved, but it's not the president.

 BF> As the absolute highest chief he's responsible for his employees and
 BF> must take the blame for if they are incompetent.

Theoretically, yes, but consider if that's carried to extremes -- 
as the anti-Bush people do it -- an employee at the lowest level 
of any organization commits a minor crime, say, steals $5.  Would 
the president of that company be held accountable?  I don't think 
so.
 
 BF>> and in, January or Febuary, Rumsfeld
 BF>> is coming to Europe to ask for military help in Iraq I heard. If that's
 BF>> true, who is then
 BF>> asking who for help? Whos problem will it then might be?
 
 FS> The burden is as it always *has* been -- the entire civilized world's.
 FS> Terrorism is basically anti-people, including people in Spain, Russia,
 FS> Indonesia, the US, etc.

 BF> It still didn't answer my questions.

Yes, it does -- it becomes the civilized world's problem ...

 BF> About photographing in war the answer from my chief was that he thinks
 BF> it's against the Geneva convention to do it but IIRC USA haven't signed
 BF> that...or? Amnesty also prohibit it.
 BF> Then he said that it's even up to you to decide if you want to do it
 BF> for personal
 BF> use but then it's not allowed to publish them without permission. He
 BF> also had a few other explanations to why one shouldn't do it but that
 BF> would take me to long to translate.

That's a far less restrictive situation than what we Enlisted 
Swine faced during WWII.

... "My Father the Tuna" will not be seen today ...

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