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Skriven 2005-01-05 20:19:00 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: Re: Rules of Southern liv
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On 01-05-05, John Hull said...
 
JH> Darryl Perry -> Ed Hulett wrote:
JH>  DP> On 01-04-05, Ed Hulett said...
JH> 
JH>  EH>> Darryl Perry -> Stan Hardegree wrote:
JH> 
JH>  DP>>> On 01-03-05, Stan Hardegree said...
JH> 
JH>  DP>>>>>>> GWB got special treatment to get into the champaign squadron
JH> 
JH>  SH>>>>>> You are a liar.
JH> 
JH>  DP>>>>> Prove that I'm wrong.
JH> 
JH>  SH>>>> Screw you.  You made the claim, YOU substantiate it.
JH> 
JH>  DP>>> I made the claim and I stand by it.  You call me a liar, and if
JH>  DP> you c
JH>  DP>>> prove that, then screw YOU!
JH> 
JH>  EH>> So, let me get this straight. You made the claim and stand by it whi
JH>  EH>> refusing to show any proof. At the same time, Stan is required to
JH>  DP> prove hi
JH>  EH>> assertion that you are a liar?
JH> 
JH>  DP> Stan initially did not ever require that I show proof for my claims. 
JH>  DP> just threw out the 'you are a liar' claim.  It was me who first calle
JH>  DP> for substatiation on HIS claim.  If he doesn't want to show any proof
JH> why
JH>  DP> should I?
JH> 
JH> 
JH> Did you or did you not make the following statement about President Bush i
JH> response to Stan's comment about Clinton?:
JH> 
JH> SH>> He left the Rhodes program after entering into a deal to
JH> SH>> enter ROTC at the of Arkansas.  He did this to save his
JH> SH>> redneck ass from the draft.
JH> 
JH>  DP> GWB got special treatment to get into the champaign squadron
JH> 
JH> You are a liar.
JH> 
JH> ---
JH>  * Origin: Non illigitimus carborundum! (1:379/1.2)
JH> 
JH> 
JH> Yes, you did.  Don't bother to deny it, as we have the post saved.  It has

I don't deny it, and my statement stands.  Read at the bottom.

JH> been shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bush was not AWOL and that he g

Where has it ever been shown that GWB was not AWOL, much less beyond a shadow
of a doubt.  To my knowledge, that has never been shown.  The questions still
remain.

JH> no special treatment either getting into or during his TANG tenure.  Stan'
JH> statement, however, is public knowledge, also beyond dispute for a long ti
JH> Therefore, your remark is a deliberate lie. Stan called you on it by calli

Stands statement about what?  I don't recall disputing anything about Stans
original statement. 

JH> you a liar.  Now, you've got two choices.  Either accept the fact that you
JH> are, admit it, and move on; or post proof to back up your statement.  That

I chose the 2nd.  I would gladly have posted the proof, but again, Stan
never asked for it.  Once he made the personal attacks, like you all have
shown to do, I did not feel inclined any sort of onus to do so.

JH> the way the rules work. Stan doesn't have to prove you to be a liar when t
JH> common public knowledge about Bush says you are a liear.  It is up to you 

The common knowledge about GWB *is* that he cannot prove that he served his
time in the guard.  If you spout otherwise, that is merely your opinion.

JH> prove your statement about Bush to be correct.  We all know of course that
JH> can't.

Who's we?  Your gang?  There are others of us who believe otherwise?

JH> So, you said Bush got special treatment to get in TANG.  We have ample 
JH> documentation during the campaign showing he didn't, therefore you must be
JH> lying.  I too, am calling you a liar, and demanding that you put up or shu

Here's a representative example of why I said what I said, and to shows what
I believe to be true.  You can all eat your words now.

"Barnes says he called guard on Bush's behalf"
By Michael Holmes
Associated Press Writer

AUSTIN, Texas -- The former speaker of the Texas House of
Representatives acknowledged Monday that he called the head of the
Texas Air National Guard in 1968 to recommend George W. Bush for a
pilot slot during the Vietnam War.

But Ben Barnes, who later was lieutenant governor, said the request
for his help came from a Bush family friend -- not Bush or his father,
who then was a congressman.

The Texas governor and Republican presidential front-runner,
meanwhile, insisted again that neither he nor his father sought such
assistance when he joined the Guard.

''I can tell you what happened. Nothing happened. My Guard unit was
looking for pilots and I flew for the Guard,'' Bush said at a campaign
appearance south of Houston.

''I'm proud of my service and any allegation that my dad asked for
special favors is simply not true. ... I didn't ask anybody to help
get me to the Guard either,'' Bush said.

Barnes, a Democrat, has been at the center of questions about Bush's
Vietnam-era service for several weeks.

His name surfaced in a lawsuit filed in federal court in Dallas by the
former executive director of the Texas Lottery. Lawrence Littwin has
sued GTECH Corp., the lottery operator, alleging that the company is
to blame for his firing in 1997, after four months on the job.

According to court records, Littwin's lawyers wanted to question
Barnes, who used to lobby for GTECH, about whether GTECH was allowed
to keep its lucrative state contract in exchange for Barnes' silence
about the Guard matter.

That theory has been dismissed as unfounded by GTECH, Barnes and Bush.
Barnes testified for several hours Monday in a deposition in the case.

Afterwards, his lawyer issued a written statement saying Barnes had
been contacted by the now-deceased Sidney Adger, a Houston oilman and
friend of the elder Bush.

''Mr. Barnes was contacted by Sid Adger and asked to recommend George
W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard. Barnes
called Gen. (James) Rose (Texas Air Guard commander) and did so,'' the
statement said.

''Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family
asked Barnes' help. Barnes has no knowledge that Governor Bush or
President Bush knew of Barnes' recommendation,'' the statement said.

Barnes also said he met in September 1998 with Donald L. Evans, a
longtime friend and chief fund-raiser for Governor Bush. Barnes told
Evans about Adger's request, and ''Governor Bush wrote Barnes a note
thanking him for his candor in acknowledging that Barnes received no
call from any member of the Bush family.''

In an interview with The Associated Press, Evans said he met with
Barnes on his own initiative, without informing the governor in
advance. At the time, he was Bush's gubernatorial campaign chairman
and was concerned only about that contest, Evans said.

Bush joined the National Guard in 1968, at the height of the Vietnam
War, serving until late 1973.

The Republican governor has said for several years that he received no
special treatment. Both he and his father, the former president, have
said they didn't ask for help in finding the Guard opening.

''I don't know if Ben Barnes did or not -- but he was not asked by me
or my dad,'' Bush said Monday.

''People are relying on whether a man who is deceased (Adger) tried to
help. I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I
don't believe I received any special treatment,'' Bush said.

Bush indicated that he wasn't concerned about Barnes' deposition. 
''I think everybody ought to tell the truth when they're being
deposed. I'm confident he will,'' Bush said. ''I'm not sure what Ben
Barnes is going to say. But I know what the facts are.''

Asked if he considered questions about his National Guard service a
personal attack, Bush replied, ''I think it's just politics.''

http://www.ardmoreite.com/stories/092899/new_barnes.shtml

OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN IN 1999, IT HAD NOTHING TO
DO WITH JOHN KERRY'S CAMPAIGN.

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