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Skriven 2005-01-16 20:18:26 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Ww 2
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John Hull -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JH> Gary Braswell -> George Lagergren wrote:
 GB>> George Lagergren -> John Hull wrote:

 GL>>> Quoting John Hull to Björn Forsström          202  01-14-05  18:00

 JH>>>> What you saw you either totally misinterpreted or didn't understand.
 JH>>>> FDR was not against getting into the war at all.  He knew it was
 JH>>>> ineveitable. Our Congress was against going to war.  Roosevelt got
 JH>>>> around that to some  extent by providing US ships for convoys to
 JH> keep
 JH>>>> England from falling to Germany.  So, US troops were actually in
 JH>>>> combat well before we were officially at war.  With respect
 JH>>>> to Japan, FDR had been trying to provoke the Japanese into
 JH>>>> something he could use to declare war on them for nearly
 JH>>>> two years prior to Pearl Harbor.  Why?  Because he knew was

 GL>>>     In 1940, a Naval intelligence officer wrote a 8-point memo
 GL>>>     to FDR to how to goat Japan into attacking the USA. Suggesting
 GL>>>     things like refusing to sell scrap iron to Japan, cutting off
 GL>>>     the oil supply to Japan, etc.

 GB>> The memo was not on how to goad the Japanese into war. It was a
 JH> memo on
 GB>> what grounds Japan would likely go to war since we were already
 JH> opposing
 GB>> their invasion and mass-murders of Chinese. Our refusal to sell oil
 JH> and
 GB>> other materials to them so they could fuel their continued incursion
 GB>> into China caused them to join the Axis and attack us. We were Japan's
 GB>> number one supplier of oil and other materials essential for their war
 GB>> on China.

 JH> I think you are correct.  With regard to what I said that prompted his
 JH> reply, I've got a book by an acknowledged expert on the Japanese war and
 JH> Pearl Harbor that lays out in great detail the efforts FDR went to
 JH> trying to provoke the Japs to attack us in the South China Sea area
 JH> and/or the Philippines, so that he could legitimately force Congress to
 JH> declare war on Japan, and enable us to enter the war on our terms.

As everyone knows, FDR wanted us into the war, so it would not surprise me if
true. Its always been my understanding that while he did not try to provoke the
Japs, he certainly did not shy away from doing anything he felt would upset
them.



 GL>>>     In ref to Germany, an USA intelligence team wrote a (phony) memo
 GL>>>     which said FDR would go to war against Germany without involving
 GL>>>     Congress.  That memo reached Hilter on December 3, 1941.
 GL>>>     Japan attacked the USA on Dec. 7th.  Germany declared war on
 GL>>>     the USA on Dec. 11th.

 GB>> This is a new one on me. Any references on this so I can check it out?

 JH> Me, too.  It is my understanding that we knew about the pact between
 JH> Germany and Japan courtesy of Brit intelligence.  Hitler didn't really
 JH> want to take us on at all, and only did so because he hoped to take
 JH> advantage of the damage Japan did to our fleet at Pearl Harbor.  He
 JH> figured that and turning the U-boat wolfpacks loose on American shipping
 JH> would keep us reeling long enough for him to finish off England and
 JH> consolidate things on the eastern front.  If that had happened, we would
 JH> never have been able to pull off D-Day, OR to use England as a bomber
 JH> base to rain destruction on Deutschland.

Have you heard about the book written by Hitler that was recently
authenticated? It his sequel to Mein Kampf. It was never published and
understandably so. It was his viewpoints on foreign policy. It outlined his
plans of conquest in detail. In it he answers the question about his desire to
attack America. He called it the ultimate, apocalyptic battle for the survival
of Germany- the conquest of the US. It has not yet been published, but I hope
it will be. It would show that indeed he did not want to attack the US at that
time, rather he wanted to wait until later.

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