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Skriven 2005-01-17 07:52:01 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 7458 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Ww 2
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16 Jan 05 01:59, Ed Hulett wrote to John Hull:

 John Hull ->> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JH>> Gary Braswell -> George Lagergren wrote:
 GB>>> George Lagergren -> John Hull wrote:

 GL>>>> Quoting John Hull to Björn Forsström          202  01-14-05  
 GL>>>> 18:00

 JH>>>>> What you saw you either totally misinterpreted or didn't 
 JH>>>>> understand. FDR was not against getting into the war at all.  He 
 JH>>>>> knew it was ineveitable. Our Congress was against going to war.  
 JH>>>>> Roosevelt got around that to some  extent by providing US ships 
 JH>>>>> for convoys to
 JH>> keep
 JH>>>>> England from falling to Germany.  So, US troops were actually 
 JH>>>>> in combat well before we were officially at war.  With respect
 JH>>>>> to Japan, FDR had been trying to provoke the Japanese into
 JH>>>>> something he could use to declare war on them for nearly
 JH>>>>> two years prior to Pearl Harbor.  Why?  Because he knew was

 GL>>>>     In 1940, a Naval intelligence officer wrote a 8-point memo
 GL>>>>     to FDR to how to goat Japan into attacking the USA. 
 GL>>>> Suggesting    things like refusing to sell scrap iron to Japan, 
 GL>>>> cutting off    the oil supply to Japan, etc.

 GB>>> The memo was not on how to goad the Japanese into war. It was a
 JH>> memo on
 GB>>> what grounds Japan would likely go to war since we were already
 JH>> opposing
 GB>>> their invasion and mass-murders of Chinese. Our refusal to sell 
 GB>>> oil
 JH>> and
 GB>>> other materials to them so they could fuel their continued 
 GB>>> incursion into China caused them to join the Axis and attack us. 
 GB>>> We were Japan's number one supplier of oil and other materials 
 GB>>> essential for their war on China.

 JH>> I think you are correct.  With regard to what I said that prompted 
 JH>> his reply, I've got a book by an acknowledged expert on the 
 JH>> Japanese war and Pearl Harbor that lays out in great detail the 
 JH>> efforts FDR went to trying to provoke the Japs to attack us in the 
 JH>> South China Sea area and/or the Philippines, so that he could 
 JH>> legitimately force Congress to declare war on Japan, and enable us 
 JH>> to enter the war on our terms.


 GL>>>>     In ref to Germany, an USA intelligence team wrote a (phony) 
 GL>>>> memo    which said FDR would go to war against Germany without 
 GL>>>> involving    Congress.  That memo reached Hilter on December 3, 
 GL>>>> 1941.    Japan attacked the USA on Dec. 7th.  Germany declared 
 GL>>>> war on    the USA on Dec. 11th.

 GB>>> This is a new one on me. Any references on this so I can check it 
 GB>>> out?

 JH>> Me, too.  It is my understanding that we knew about the pact 
 JH>> between Germany and Japan courtesy of Brit intelligence.  Hitler 
 JH>> didn't really want to take us on at all, and only did so because he 
 JH>> hoped to take advantage of the damage Japan did to our fleet at 
 JH>> Pearl Harbor.  He figured that and turning the U-boat wolfpacks 
 JH>> loose on American shipping would keep us reeling long enough for 
 JH>> him to finish off England and consolidate things on the eastern 
 JH>> front.  If that had happened, we would never have been able to pull 
 JH>> off D-Day, OR to use England as a bomber base to rain destruction 
 JH>> on Deutschland.

 EH> George got it from drinking magnetized water. ;-)

You mean that doesn't help?!?  I thought that helped flush all those pesky free
radicals from your system.  You just can't believe anything you hear these
days!

John 

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