Text 7948, 145 rader
Skriven 2005-01-24 17:38:26 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 7911 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
Ärende: Re: Believing
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24 Jan 05 11:30, Darryl Perry wrote to John Hull:

 DP> On 01-23-05, John Hull said...
 JH>>  JH>> goes with the territory.  Call it the dues you have to pay 
 JH>>  JH>> to play t game.  It doesn't personal unless *you* let it get 
 JH>>  JH>> that way.  As Sta says, he would welcome intelligent liberal" 
 JH>>  JH>> and so would the rest of
 JH>>  
 JH>> 
 JH>>  DP> Don't you see?  It's exactly comments like that that gets 
 JH>>  DP> people hackles up.
 JH>> 
 JH>> There's an elephant sitting in your living room on your sofa and 
 JH>> you refus see it.  As I said, MOST liberals when they come into 
 JH>> this echo, have a tendency to act as if they have ALL the answers.  
 JH>> They sit back and pontificate on "the right way" and they spout 
 JH>> DNC boilerplate rhetoric alm verbatim.  It gets almost comical at 
 JH>> times.  During the last Clinton campa

 DP> Think about how those 'liberals' feel then they hear time and time 
 DP> again from conservatives how Kerry is a flip-flopper as evidenced by his
 DP> 'I voted for it before I voted against it' comment, or that Kerry 
 DP> is soft on defense since he voted to cut back on this-that-or-the-other 
 DP> defense project even tho it was Secratary of Defense Dick Cheney that 
 DP> submitted the defense budget that Kerry voted FOR.  Those are straight out

 DP> of the RNC talking sheets, but for some reason, in here, it's only the 
 DP> 'liberals' that don't think for themselves.  That's the odor that I find 
 DP> in here all too often.

I don't get talking points from the RNC.  I've never heard Karl Rove articulate
a "strategy of deception" etc.  I have heard Democrats sit and recite DNC stuff
verbatim, and not just one, but several on different channels and different
morning news shows - at the same time!  You can follow the quotes across the
country from time zone to time zone as the day goes on.  Its like they're all
telepathically linked and are receiving orders from the "mother ship" or
something on what to say.  You can see them do the same thing on the evening
news shows with the same quotes after the handlers have adjusted things based
on reactions from the morning broadcasts.  While some Republicans certainly do
it, by and large its a Democrat phenomenon.  I've been watching them do it for
40 years, Darryl.  I'm not imagining it.


 JH>> See, we don't give a damn what the DNC says.  And we don't give a 
 JH>> damn wha the Democrat leadership and its minions say for the 
 JH>> cameras on the talk sh circuit.  (And don't mistake me here, we 
 JH>> don't like it when Republicans do either.)  We expect YOU to post 
 JH>> what YOU think.  We want YOUR opinions, no regurge of what Joe 
 JH>> Biden or Chuckie Schumer or Maxine Waters had to say, for word.

 DP> What I think?  I think that those at the top (Republicans and the 
 DP> RNC) maninpulate the media for their own advantage, to further their 
 DP> own agendas. I think that Karl Rove is a mastermind at deception, and I 
 DP> think that all you all buy in to his idea of reality.  I could easily buy 
 DP> into the ideas thrown around here by many conservatives.  What I can't 
 DP> abide by is liars and deception, and spin.  The media and the RNC and it's

 DP> members are highly skilled at all three.  It is for this reason that I 
 DP> can't abide by GWB, because he seems to me to embody all those traits.

There have been a number of books written by prominent journalists, most of
whom are liberals and/or Democrats detailing the bias toward the left in the
major media outlets.  A study done right after the 2nd Clinton election found
that 90% of reporters are left leaning.  That hasn't changed one bit, and if
anything, its worse today.  There has been a lot of discussion about it this
last cycle - how can you have missed it?


 JH>>  DP> I can only assume that that is the effect that you are going 
 JH>>  DP> for.  Stan's welcoming an 'Intelligent Liberal' is tantamount 
 JH>>  DP> to saying tha liberals aren't intelligent.  with the added 
 JH>>  DP> connotation that all 'conservatives' ARE intelligent.  All 
 JH>>  DP> you have to do is see Ed C's 'asloiwne;flkwnv' comments to 
 JH>>  DP> Bjorn and the mocking of my harmless BB tagline to question 
 JH>>  DP> that assumption.
 JH>> 
 JH>> When liberals do nothing but regurgitate the PC rhetoric put out 
 JH>> by the DN and the Dem leadership it isn't very intelligent. 

 DP> See above.  What I see is alot of regurgitating too, but it comes 
 DP> from the other side.

There's a big difference between talking about the issues, and telling some of
the most scurrilous lies I've ever heard.  Remember when Gore's people put out
ads in Missouri and how the GOP was going to prevent blacks from voting?  Or
how about when the DNC put TV ads out saying that Republicans were going to
keep seniors from getting their medicine and force them out of their homes?

I'm not talking about the normal campaign rhetoric that both sides engage in,
I'm talking about deliberate lies designed to literally scare the hell out of
voters.  Lies designed to make people so fearful of the other party they will
completely ignore the fact that all the promises made to them are never kept,
and haven't been for decades.  I won't stand for that from my side, and I damn
sure won't accept it from the left.

 JH>> Ed's comments to Bjorn are a reaction to what Bjorn has said to Ed 
 JH>> and oth here.  Bjorn is an woefully misinformed person, and very 
 JH>> much anti-America and despite what he says, he is making no attempt 
 JH>> at all to correct his misunderstanding.  As for taglines, people 
 JH>> use taglines for two reasons:  as a filler at the end of a message 
 JH>> because the software is set up that wa or to make some sort of 
 JH>> statement with throw-away one liners.  If people t them the wrong 
 JH>> way, it is likely because the poster has said something tha makes 
 JH>> it appear the tagline was deliberate.  If you are getting flak 
 JH>> over tagline, it is most likely for the latter reason and not the 
 JH>> former.

 DP> Here's a cut-paste from his post.  Tell me what is so offensive 
 DP> about my
 DP> tagline:
 DP> ------------------------------
 DP>>  gryphon o aka darryl perry o cyberia bbs o cyberia.darktech.org
 o  DP>> mystic/lnx

 DP> AKGOE KFOIILIL SGDEIIE PERRY CDOODL PANSY
 DP> ------------------------------

I think you must have misunderstood something.  I have no idea what it means
and I doubt Ed did either.  Looks like gibberish to me, in fact.

 DP> Ed is a sh1t-stirrer.  He has nothing to offer that is worth it to 
 DP> me to read and I don't need the aggrevation of reading his 'posts'.  So 
 DP> why put myself through it.  I've had to go to fidonet.sensationcontent.com
 DP> (Fidonet echo archives) to find that post since I don't have them on my 
 DP> BBS.  I've had to wade through alot of stuff that I had not read before 
 DP> just to find it.  I saw where he posted that he would not read any more of

 DP> my posts.  I welcome him to do so.  I make that same offer to everybody 
 DP> else in here.  Don't like me or what I have to say?  Then just go ahead 
 DP> and delete the message.  It's fine with me.

Which Ed are you talking about?  Ed Connell hasn't got a mean bone in his body.
 He is one of the most amiable guys I've ever met, in fact.  If and when he
does say something sharp to someone, it is only after severe provocation in
some form.  But, I wasn't following any of that so I don't know who said what
to whom, and I don't care.  Why not just call it a misunderstanding and start
fresh?

John 

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