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Skriven 2005-01-24 23:08:00 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: Re: fighting terrorism.
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On 01-24-05, John Hull said...
 
JH> 23 Jan 05 22:38, Darryl Perry wrote to JOHN MASSEY:
JH> 
JH>  DP> On 01-23-05, JOHN MASSEY said...
JH> 
JH>  JM>> DP>The problem with that is that the US can't decide for other 
JH>  JM>> DP>countries on how they will fight terrorism.  I've always said 
JH>  JM>> DP>that the best way for us to fight terrorism is to stop using 
JH>  JM>> DP>foreign oil, 
JH>  JM>> 
JH>  JM>> It's not this Administration that is stopping drilling on known 
JH>  JM>> reserves of American oil.
JH>  JM>> If you want us to stop using middle east oil, then you will need 
JH>  JM>> to change the minds of people like Kennedy, Boxer, Kerry, Clinton,
JH>  JM>>  and other environmental wack-jobs.
JH> 
JH>  DP> wack-jobs?  Keeping the oil companies from exploiting our natural 
JH>  DP> spaces does not equate to not using foreign oil.  It's two different 
JH>  DP> issues.  The minusule reserves of oil found under the ANR will not 
JH> ammount 
JH>  DP> to a hill of beans with regard to the amount of oil imported to the U
JH> 
JH> You can't have it both ways.  Either we import oil from somewhere else or 
JH> use our own resources.  The oil fields under the North Slope and in other 

The third option is that the US reduces the amount of oil that it needs by
using ethanol.  This was taken from www.ethanolrfa.org:
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The United States is increasingly dependent on imported energy to meet our
personal, transportation, and industrial needs. As a result, the U.S. is
held hostage to the whims of OPEC and very unstable regions of the world. As
a domestic, renewable source of energy, ethanol can reduce our dependence on
foreign oil and increase the United States' ability to control its own
security and economic future. Our energy policy should first and foremost
promote domestic, renewable fuels, not foreign oil imports.

The U.S. imports 62 percent of its petroleum needs today. By 2025, the
Energy Information Administration projects the U.S. will import 77 percent
of its petroleum.
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JH> places in the far north, while not as large as those under Saudi Arabia, a
JH> certainly not "miniscule."  It has been estimated that between oil and hig
JH> grade coal, the US has enough energy resources to last for 300 years.  IF 
JH> enviro-whackos would get out of the way.  

Then where would we be 300 years from now?  We need to start now to find
other fuels.

JH> With regard to damaging the environment, it ain't gonna happen.  I remembe
JH> when they started drilling on the North Slope, the whacks sounded the trum
JH> doom.  Well, if anything, that pipeline has done just the opposite.  The h
JH> given off by the crude traveling down the pipe has enabled the plant life 
JH> the tundra to flourish year round in the vicinity of the pipeline.  That i
JH> term has provided food for the caribou (there has been a big increase in t
JH> herds as a result), and that in turn has provided more food for the predat
JH> like the wolves and bears and foxes, etc.  The entire food chain has benef
JH> just from that.

If Pasadena Texas is any indication, it's

JH>  DP> Why is it that industry-base and the technological-base of this 
JH>  DP> country cannot find suitable rewable sources of energy, instead of 
JH> relying
JH>  DP> on an ever shrinking commodity like petroleum?  GWB's adminstration i
JH>  DP> cutting funding on projects that do just that.
JH> 
JH> Everybody screams about the US using more energy than anybody else - that 
JH> we're using more than our share - blah, blah, blah.  Well, our technology 
JH> what found the oil, what enabled all those OTHER countries to get it out o
JH> the ground, has found most of the ways to use it to get the most out of it
JH> and is doing 99% of the research into finding ways to supply the world wit
JH> energy that is not fossil fuel dependent.  The ways we've found to be more
JH> efficient more than makes up for the amount we use that supposedly isn't o
JH> "share."

Interesting, but that's not at all the point I was trying to make.  I'm not
screaming about the US using more than anybody else.  I'm concerned about
the US staking a claim on foreign oil producing countries in turbulant
regions and causing security issues at home.

JH> By the way, the majority of the pollution for fossil fuel is coming from 
JH> developing countries in the third world, and from 2nd tier countries like 
JH> China and Russia.  The US has largely cleaned up the air and water to such
JH> extent that it is cleaner today than it was before the boom in oil use, an
JH> we've done it at tremendous cost.  If we followed along with the greenies 

I just want to point out that it was the 'greenies' that pushed to have the
US clean up the air and water from such pollution.  You can't claim the win
that was earned by somebody else.

JH> the rest who want to cut our oil imports, a couple of things will happen. 
JH> won't have the energy needed to do the research into alternate fuel source
JH> we will have to go back to burning wood and other less efficient dirtier 
JH> fuels; and all the progress we've made toward a better world will go up in
JH> smoke.

We've already got biodiesel and ethanol products that we can use.  All
reports say that that technology is robust and ready for market.  It's just
a matter of switching the market to use it instead of existing petroleum
products.  I for one would be happy to use ethanol.... if I could find it in
my area.  I'm eagar for the day when fuel cells will become the norm, but I
realize that is far in the future.

Gryphon, aka Darryl Perry
Sysop of Cyberia BBS, Kingwood, TX.
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