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Skriven 2005-01-26 10:23:36 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 8039 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
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26 Jan 05 08:09, Björn Forsström wrote to Ed Hulett:

 EH>>>> It is very possible that the tests gave an incorrect finding. 
 EH>>>> What should be done, then?

 BF>>> I don't know how accurate this tests are but I have no reason not 
 BF>>> to believe in them.

 EH>> Oh, I see, you have no clue that there's a cliff there, but you 
 EH>> just blindly walk on.

 BF> If you don't believe in the accuracy of them, why do you believe 
 BF> in the
 BF> accuracy of the DNA tests?
 BF> What's the difference between these tests and a DNA test?

 EH>>>> Just recently, an abortion advocate found she was pregnant with
 EH>>>> triplets. She had 2 of them removed because she didn't want to 
 EH>>>> be burdoned with three babies at one time. *THAT* is wrong on so 
 EH>>>> many levels.

 BF>>> I fully agree with you.
 BF>>> And here in Sweden I think that that can never happend, unless 
 BF>>> there is a threat against the mothers life.

 EH>> Hmmmm... I see, so it is harder in Sweden to get an abortion, but 
 EH>> you disparage America for what you "believe" about our laws?

 BF> This is funny.
 BF> When I finally agree with you, you still keep bullying me.
 BF> And what I SAID was that I don't think it's allowed here to remove 
 BF> two out of three
 BF> unless there is a threat against the mothers life. I never said 
 BF> anything else.

Oh, quit whining and knock off the martyr crap.  You've got a NEXT key.  If you
don't like what he says, hit it, and go to the next message.  If he's bullying
you, its only because you're a willing victim.

 BF>>>>> It wasn't me who said anything about the child beeing a rapist. 
 BF>>>>> A only asked what should be done if the baby is the result of a 
 BF>>>>> rape.

 EH>>>> Like I said, the baby isn't the rapist, so why punish it? If the 
 EH>>>> mother doesn't want it, there are millions of couples just 
 EH>>>> waiting to adopt.

 BF>>> Can you have that emphaty to put yoursel in that womans position?

 EH>> Can you have empathy to put yourself in the baby's position?

 BF> As usual you answer with a counterquestion.
 BF> No, I cant have empathy to a "life" that really isn't a life. It 
 BF> only has a DNA and
 BF> so does a flower and I can't have empathy with a flower eiter.

You Europeans lost the moral high ground decades ago on this question.  There
is no question that a fetus is human; or that it is, at the very least, a
potential person.  

 BF>>> Perhaps it's impossible for her because of her religion or 
 BF>>> otherweise to give birth to a rape-child.

 EH>> Show me what religion(s) would advocate aborting an unwanted 
 EH>> child.

 BF> Perhaps I expressed myself a bit wrong.
 BF> Can she in some religions be taken for a whore when giving birth 
 BF> to a child that's not her husbands?

 BF>>> What would you say if your wife was raped?

 EH>> I'm not married. That said, I wouldn't advise her to kill the 
 EH>> child because some jerk raped her. The child did nothing to her.

 BF> Have you ever been so you could put yourself in that posision?
 BF> Having your wife carrying a child that's a result of a rape. Well, 
 BF> I haven't been there either so I don't know how I would react but I think 
 BF> I would have told her to remove it.

The psychological damage to the woman from carrying a child of rape can be and
often is substantial, which is the main reason most people don't squawk about
aborting such a pregnancy - especially in cases of incest.  HOWEVER, a child
from such a union is innocent, and if the woman doesn't abort it very early in
the first trimester then there should be no question that it be allowed to come
to term, then given up for adoption.  You don't kill innocent victims, no
matter what the reason for their existence might be.

 BF>>> What is it then we hear that abortion-clinics are burned down in 
 BF>>> USA?

 EH>> The government doesn't burn them down. Those that are burned down 
 EH>> are few and those who burn them down are always prosecuted.

 BF> OK.

 BF>>>>> Now how could I when all you do is to condemn what I say 
 BF>>>>> without any axplanation of how it works in USA.

 EH>>>> It's rather easy to find out. It isn't up to me to educate you.

 BF>>> But you do educate me when I do a typo so why not now?

 EH>> When have I educated you on a typo? I think you have me confused 
 EH>> with someone else.

 BF> Fair enough but you do find it plesant to educate me when it suits 
 BF> you.

 EH>>>> Abortion is legal here in the states and it is the mother's 
 EH>>>> choice to make even to the extent that underage girls can have 
 EH>>>> one without informing their parents that they are even pregnant.

 BF>>> OK. In all states?

 EH>> Yes, all states. In 1973 the US Supreme Court decided on a case 
 EH>> titled "Roe v. Wade" that struck down all state laws making 
 EH>> abortion illegal.

 EH>> The dicsion was based on junk legal opinion, but it remains law. 
 EH>> Some states have gone on their own and made abortion legal by 
 EH>> passing laws just in case Roe v. Wade is someday struck down.

 BF> Thanks for the education.

 BF>>> Here you did some education though.

 EH>> Pay close attantion to what I have to say. Not all of it is merely 
 EH>> my opinion.

 BF> It's a bit difficult for me to understand when it's your opinion 
 BF> or not when you aren't reffering to any facts.

Maybe you should pay better attention, and pry open that closed mind of yours
while you do so.

John 

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