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Skriven 2005-03-06 17:03:09 av Howie Coombe
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: HAVE YOU SEEN CATCH 22 OR
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Dear John, in regards to this message to Me.

 > 02 Mar 05 18:56, Howie Coombe wrote to John Hull:

 > HC> Dear John, in regards to this message to Garry Braswell.

 >>> 27 Feb 05 22:01, Gary Braswell wrote to THURSTON ACKERMAN:

 >>> GB> THURSTON ACKERMAN -> GARY BRASWELL wrote:

 >>> GB>>> THURSTON ACKERMAN -> JOHN HULL wrote:> aid to Sudan and other areas

 >>> JH>>>>> What more do you want?

 >>> TA>>>> Thanks you for asking John. I want US to return to our rule of law

 >>> GB>>> A pre-emptive attack is always on the table and should be. If we
 
 >>> TA>> Where is the information that Iraq was going to invade the USA?

 >>> GB> None of course, but that does not mean preemptive attacks should be

 >>> TA>>>> History teachs that war is an institution of the Old World. They

 >>> GB>>> War is almost as old as mankind. War used to be mostly migrations.

 >>> TA>> I understand that. Some of my Anglo ancestor came here becaause they

 >>> TA>>>> We the People believe otherwise (after our europeon immigrant

 >>> GB>>> Migration again.

 >>> TA>>>> We defeated the Soviet-commonists without "shock and owe"

 >>> GB>>> What world were you living in? Korea and Vietnam were surrogate
 
 >>> TA>> I am reasonably sure I have been living and fighting in this world

 >>> Most of the French troops at Dien Bienphu were Foreign Legion.

 > HC> And you know this because you were there?.

 > It is documented history,


Aha.

 > that's how.


And you believe everything you read in History books?, or only in Conservative
Patriotic History Books?. Typical conservative mindset.

 >>> They didn't cut and run.

 > HC> I put it to you that if you were there you were on there side and as

 >  I put it to you that you need to do some serious reading.


Some people who know me would suggest the exact opposite, i spend too much time
reading.

 > Your grasp of history is woefully inadequate.


My Grasp of History is just as strong as yours, it is just different, broader.

 >>> They were overrun by superior forces.

 > HC> Superior or just stubborn?.

 > Both.


On this we can agree.

 >>> The French lost Indochina because they underestimated the willingness of

 > HC> Patriotism can make a person do, say and think some crazy things,


No Comment?, i will that as an agreement on your part.

 >>> GB> And we were facing the USSR and China behind both wars. Stalin
 
 >>> There were Russian pilots flying MIGs in both Korea and Vietnam against

 > HC> And again i suppose you are talking from personal knowledge?.


No Further Comment?, i would suggest you spend less time retreating to your
conservative history books.

 >>> We had downed aircrew in Vietnam who were interrogated by Russian

 > HC> Were you one of them?.

 > Again, documented history.


There are some things books can not tell you.

 >>> GB> In Vietnam there were Chinese soldiers on the ground and the USSR

 >>> GB> I'm sure Vern could probably shed more light on the Chicom guys. One
  
 >>> GB> And sorry to hear of your son.

 >>> GB> The French tried to re-establish their colonies after WWII. We

 >>>  We supported the French for one reason,

 > HC> Which was?, We were mad?, He was white and the other bloke was not?.


No Comment?, i suspect some of the answers to the question were the ones i gave
above.

 >>> and one reason only.

 > HC> Yes?.


Only 1 reason?.

 >>> It was vitally important to Truman and the rest to keep DeGaule in our

 > HC> America Supported France because America wanted to make an

 >  Go ahead and doubt it,


Oh i will doubt it, or at least i will doubt it is the only reason, my history
books tell me that.

 > it won't change the fact that its true.


It may be true, it may be nothing but the truth, but i doubt it is the whole
truth.

 >>> That meant making concessions to France by giving them back Indochina

 > HC> Whithout asking the Indochinese?, yes that does sound like America.

 >  That's right,


Parhaps it is but it should not be.

 > because when WWII started,


Yes?.

 > France owned Indochina.


I know they did but that is irrelivent, After The Japanese were kicked out of
Indochina the people who were responsible for kicking Japan out of Indochina
should have and could have saved themselves the bother of Korea and Vietnam by
holding 2 referendums in those 2 countrys on independance.

 > In fact,


Yes?.

 > Saigon was known as the Paris of the Orient.


I know this, indeed i have read and seen some of the evidence of the truth of
this discription.

 >>> In order to do that,

 > HC> Yes?.


No Further Comment?, Fair Enough.

 >>> though,

 > HC> Yes?.


No Further Comment?, Fair Enough.

 >>> we had to pay the cost of their logistics.

 > HC> At no cost to them?, i doubt that?.

 >  You have a lot of doubts,


Yes i do, Where America is concerned.

 > don't you?   I have a lot of solid belifs though too, anyway TTFN.

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