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Skriven 2009-03-15 09:27:48 av JOHN FITZGERALD (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB KLAHN
Ärende: BI-PARTISAN INVASION
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JF>>   The point you are avoiding is that it is foolish to
JF>>   allow your enemies to hold you to a higher standard they
JF>>   have never lived up to so they can run their campaign.

BK>>   The point you are avoiding is that it is foolish to allow your
BK>>   enemies to pull you down to their level. We have always won our
BK>>   wars by holding ourselves to a higher standard.

 JF>   That's why we don't behead, people, blow up churches and
 JF>   mosques, hide behind women and children, store our
 JF>   military supplies in schools, hide bombs in market places
 JF>   and fly planes into buildings 'for Allah'. All we did was

BK>  Neither did the Iraqis we were fighting. 

  Wrong, the Iraqis we were fighting were Saddam's regime, responsible for
many atrocities against many different peoples, including their own.



 JF>   waterboard, kick some butt, and in one case put some
 JF>   panties on prisoner's head.  If this is all you need to
 JF>   say we are at their level, then evidently your partisan

BK>   If you think that is all college prank 
BK>   level, you are deluding yourself.

  On the contrary, if you think what some of our guys did begins to 
compare with the sort of things Saddam's guys were doing to their 
prisoners, you are the deluded one.


 JF>   induced hatred for Bush has consumed your sense of
 JF>   reasoning in these matters.  ie.waterboarding can be
 JF>   gotten over of within minutes, and was used to extract

BK>   Do you guarantee that? Torture lasts long 
BK>   beyond the physical effects.

  So does a punch in the nose.



 JF>   lifesaving and vital info, and was only employed under
 JF>   special circumstances.

BK>  And just how many times did that happen? 
BK>  Did it *EVER* happen?

  Don't know the numbers.  Neither do you.



JF>>    all the other Democrats who voted overwhelmingly
JF>>    to invade Iraq.

BK>>   No democrats voted to invade Iraq. There was
BK>>   no resolution  or declaration or bill to invade Iraq.


JF> The Iraq War Resolution (Resolution of 2002,[1]) was a
JF> joint resolution (ie. a law) which was passed by
JF> Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243,
JF> authorizing the Iraq War.

BK>   Nope, authorizing the use of force if 
BK>   required to make Iraq comply with the 
BK>   UN resolutions. 

  You start out with 'nope' and turn around and say 'yep'.
What exactly are you saying no to?



BK>   They were complying.

  Not according Clinton's people, or Bush's people, not according to
UN weapon's inspectors.


JF> Both Republicans and
JF> Democrats voted overwhelmingly for it.  That resolution
JF> cited 17 different reasons for going after Saddam.  WMD
JF> were just one of those reasons.

BK>   That is the one we are discussing. 

  And apparently that is the only one you want to discuss, and in that
event, you are back to square one:  'No WMD found' after waiting a year 
and a half.

  And don't forget, Saddam was a supporter of terrorism.  Saddam's 
willingness to support terrorists was clearly demonstrated when he 
promised to give money to the families of suicide bombers, and even 
though that concerned Hamas and Israel, it STILL demonstrated that 
he was willing to do business with terrorists.   And the fact that 
Al qaeda flocked into Iraq and fought with the Iraqi insurgents 
again demonstrates that Saddam's Iraq and terrorists altogether 
were perfectly willing to form alliances to defeat a greater 
common enemy.  When Bush said we will go after terrorists and 
anyone who supports them, both Republicans and Democrats applauded.


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