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Skriven 2009-05-17 19:26:01 av Dan Ceppa (1:138/666.0)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN FITZGERALD
Ärende: Re-examining PR Ploys
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-> On 16 May 09  12:51:56, JOHN FITZGERALD got back to DAN CEPPA 
-> Re: Re-examining PR Ploys

 DC>  Torture has long been discredited as a reliable 
 DC>  interrogation technique.

 JF> Nope, only claims have been made by a few hand picked people.

Provide the creditable intel obtained via torture.  
 
 DC>  You are either going to get false answers or, at best,
 DC>  the false answers that you want.

 JF> They say a person will tell you what you want to hear under torture,
 JF> so if that person knows the truth, they will tell you, because that 
 JF> is what you want to hear.  Easy math, Dan.
 
No, you have it quite convoluted.  Consider yourself under torture and you 
don't have the info they want.  How do you get them to stop?  
 
 DC>  After all, do you really believe all those witches who  
 DC>  confessed to witchcraft really were witches?  

 JF> First, you are comparing hideous acts of torture with enhanced 
 JF> interrogation methods (waterboarding, etc)  It's like you're comparing

Torture is torture.  Waterboarding was peosecuted by the US as torture 
since at least 1898.  Nothing has changed since then. It is still a 
crime.  

 JF> Second, no one method is going to produce positive results 100% of 
 JF> the time and no doubt some PR individuals will parade the failures 
 JF> around while ignoring the positive results.

Yeah, do more often, like 183 times to get youe false information.  

 JF> Third, if waterboarding and the like is the overall failure PR
 JF> people  claim it is, why have they used it for so many years?  If a

It's quite simple:  W had his crew draw up so-called "legal opinions" 
that, in themselves, were illegal. 

 JF> Forth, if a dedicated and/or hardened prisoner knows you will never
 JF> 'abuse' him, not even take his blanket away, why would he tell you 
 JF> anything?

Ask the interrogators.  They've gotten good intel UNTIL others decided 
to use harsher methods.  

 JF> I've asked these sorts of questions several times now.  No one can
 JF> answer.  That by itself speaks volumes.   All they do is parrot PR 

They've been answered far more than once.  You, like those "enhanced 
interogators", don't like the answers you are getting.  

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