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Skriven 2009-05-25 09:40:58 av Earl Croasmun (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Johnjwilson
Ärende: RE: Re-reexamining Torture ...
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~> The
~> -> procedure was more like the Spanish Inquisition version than the CIA
~> -> version.

~> I do not understand what the different 'versions' are

One involves the intake of a lot of water, either swallowed or inhaled. 
The other involves the intake on no water at all.  One involves the early
stages of drowning.  The other involves none of the stages of drowning. 
One involves severe pain, suffering, and potential death.  The other
involves none of those.  For some reason Sauer considered those differences
only "semantics," back before he ran away.

~> -> radio guy (who was doing it because he LOST a contest, and who expressed
~> a
~> -> desire to quit BEFORE any water was poured at all)

~> (I didn't know that :-)

It was in the video, but I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the stories
about the incident.  Afterward, he also mentions that he was in part
reacting because he had nearly drowned as a child, was unconscious, and had
to have his breathing restarted.  The CIA did psychological as well as
medical screening of prisoners before interrogation, specifically to avoid
such individual factors that might cause a person to react badly to the
methods that were used on them.
 
~>  was stupid enough to
~> -> have his mouth OPEN while that was happening.  He wound up taking in
~> water
~> -> through both the nose and the mouth.
 
~> You would disapprove of that.

Yes.
 
~>   That is a lot different from the CIA
~> -> taking care to cover the nose and mouth so that NO water is ingested.
 
~> The moral purity of the CIA...is, I dare say, questionable.

If you are still walking the earth in search of someone or something with
moral purity, I have some bad news for you.

The fact is that he has three-quarters of a gallon of water poured on him
in a few seconds, including having it intentionally poured into his nose
and his mouth.  That is dramatically different from having cups of water
poured over some plastic wrap with NONE of it going into his nose or mouth.

~>   The
~> -> CIA also used people who were trained in how to do the procedure safely
~> and
~> -> effectively.  The guy doing it laughed afterward, when asked a question
~> -> about the procedure, and admitted that he was a "rookie" who had never
~> done
~> -> this before!
  
~> There always has to be a first time

If you were going to have a medical procedure done, would you want it done
by someone who had gone through rigorous training on how to do it properly
without any harm coming to you?  Or would you go to a radio studio and have
it done by someone who had never done it before, who didn't know how to do
it safely, and who in the video openly expressed a desire to make you cry
like a baby?

 
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