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Skriven 2009-05-29 09:16:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Earl Croasmun
Ärende: Re-examining Torture
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~>>  ~>  ~> Really?  It was specifically made illegal since 1898.  It was
~>>  EC> prosecuted
~>>  ~>  ~> as such in WWII as well as in Viet Nam.
 EC> ...

~>>  EC> Your whole comparison is exploded in your face, and that irrelevant
~>>  EC> aside is the ONLY thing you can SAY !?!?!?!
 EC>
~>> Waterboarding is illegal.

 EC> Your basis for that was that "it was specifically made
 EC> illegal since 1898." But now you know that you were wrong.
 EC> That was a far different interrogation method that involved
 EC> forced ingestion of water and caused permanent injury and

 Not quite true. That is one form of waterboarding, but the form
 used by US interrogators was also illegal. During WW2 both forms
 were used by the Japanese, and Japanese military personell, and
 some civilians, were prosecuted for using the same method the US
 interrogators. One of those tortured that way was one of the
 Doolittle Raiders, Chase Neilsen. He testified against his
 interrogators and he described the torture in the same terms
 used to describe that used by current US interrogators.

 www.snipurl.com/waterboardingcrime

 Note, I say US interrogators, not CIA, as one of the FBI
 interrogators who was questioning Abu Zubaida before the torture
 started, said the torture was brought in by a civilian
 contractor. So, it's hard to tell if the CIA interrogators did
 not want to do it. It is known the FBI refused to be involved.

 www.snipurl.com/torturetestimony

 I have also read CIA interrogators also rejected the torture.

 EC> death.  And it was not made illegal.  And you also based it
 EC> on the Yukio Asano myth, which you have long known to be
 EC> wrong.

 What is the Yukio Asano myth? I looked it up, and see nothing
 saying the prosecution of Yukio Asano was a myth.

 Ok, I looked back and found your original msg on that. You are
 assuming there were only those two methods of the "water cure".
 You missed the fact that the method often used is described in
 terms identical to the methods used by US interrogators. And
 Japanese military were tried for war crimes for that.

 EC> And now you just BLINDLY REPEAT the claim after seeing your
 EC> whole basis for the claim obliterated!

 Or so you claim.

 Do you realize, by saying what the US interrogators did was not
 a crime, you are saying it was not a crime when done to Lt Chas
 Neilsen, after he was captured on the Doolittle raid? And when
 done to other US personell? And if done to US soldiers in the
 future?




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