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Skriven 2009-06-03 06:16:00 av Dave Drum (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Dan Ceppa
Ärende: Re-reexamining Torture ..
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-=> Dan Ceppa wrote to Dave Drum <=-

 DD> "Well, I think if you are in custody, and you have a policeman who's
 DD> taken you into custody…," Stahl says.

 DD> "And you say he's punishing you?" Scalia asks.

 DD> "Sure," Stahl replies.

 DD> "What's he punishing you for? You punish somebody…," Scalia says.

 DC> Amazing.  Cops get to kick the living shit out of you because you
 DC> haven't been found giulty of anything.

 DD> Nope, that's not what he said. That's what you (wrongly) extrapolated.

 DC> You better explain it, then.  Based on what was posted, interrogation
 DC> is wide open as to techniques employed.

What he said is that torture is not punishment. Brutality is a separate issue.
Keep in mind that Scalia is a narrow constructionist. He NEVER said that cops
get to kit the crap out of you on a whim. He just said that it's not, and
cannot be punishment ... even though it is punishing. 
 
 DD> "It's the latter. And when he's hurting you in order to get
 DD> information from you…you don’t say he's punishing you. What’s he
 DD> punishing you for? He's trying to extract…," Scalia says.

 DC> He sounds like Yoo justifying the Bush/Cheney "enhanced interrogation".
 DC> They all should be brought up for war crimes.

 DD> No, he doesn't. Only in your fevered imagination.

 DC> Not in the least.  He fully states that hurting a suspect to extract
 DC> information is perfectly alright.

No, he does not. Where did you get that flight of fancy? 
 
 DD> "Because he thinks you are a terrorist and he's going to beat the
 DD> you-know-what out of you…," Stahl replies.

 DD> "Anyway, that’s my view," Scalia says. "And it happens to be correct."

 DC> May Scalia get pulled over and be asked such "questions" by some cop
 DC> who mistakes him for a terrorist.

 DD> His name ain't Rodney King. You're reaching but not grasping ...
 DD> again. I am (horrors) with Earl on this one. You are far, far, far
 DD> off-base.

 DC> Look at that last line Scalia states after "beat the [shit] out of
 DC> you."

They were talking of torture and that torture is NOT punishment. Which is
correct. Watch the video of the segment which is available in the URL that I
posted to John Wilson. Perhaps then you will get the sense of what was actually
said and in what context. Until then, I submit, you are far off base on this. 
 
 DC> Scalia agrees that such actions are just fine.  IOW, he doesn't have a
 DC> problem with the use of torture.

Yes, he does. Did you even read the transcript? Or did you just skim it for
buzzwords and go off from there?

The quote is on page 4 of the transcript and says ... in toto ... ""I don't
like torture," Scalia says. "Although defining it is going to be a nice trick.
But who's in favor of it? Nobody. And we have a law against torture. But if the
- everything that is hateful and odious is not covered by some provision of the
Constitution," he says."

So, by your statement above you are accusing a Supreme Court justice of
advocating for illegal acts. Horse shit, I say. Pure horse shit.

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