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     Kommentar till en text av TIM RICHARDSON
Ärende: Huh?
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TIM RICHARDSON said to DANNY CEPPA,

TR> DC>> Does that justify torture?

TR> TR>> Torture?

TR> TR>> Re-visit the image of an elderly man in a wheel chair being
TR> TR>> shot then pushed off of a cruise ship.....then get back to me.

TR> DC> Bringing up counter examples does not change the facts.

TR>Listen.......the "counter examples go back thirty years or more. When
TR>are you and others finally going to get the idea? Do they have to set
TR>of a `nuke' somewhere in our country before you finally see  the
TR>light!

TR>These people want to kill us. They want to destroy our way of
TR>life...take away all our freedoms and rights.

So that makes it right for the US to do the same thing to anyone *WE* 
want to?

TR>They have already forced us to have many of our rights scaled back
TR>greatly, and seriously hurt our economy.

Thank you, George W. Bush.

TR> TR>> We aren't *torturing* these people (and `you' know that very
TR> TR> well>> , but the criminal acts of a very few have been taken by
TR> TR>you > (and your ilk) as a clarion call to arms!

TR> DC> Of a very few???  There should be none.

TR>We don't live in that utopian world that Pelosi and Murtha and others
TR>in the democrat party would `like' us to live in.....we have to deal
TR>with the world the way it *is*.....not the way we'd *like it* to be.

Yeah, can't have any actual *LOGIC* insinuate itself into the "war on 
terra," can we?

TR>Some pretty nasty people get into the military sometimes. Dispite all
TR>the psychological screening....and `sensitivity' testing......and all
TR>that other liberal crapola.....sometimes..some pretty nasty people
TR>get into the military.

And make it all the way into the top brass.
Like the brass hat who said the Gitmo prisoners killed themselves as an 
"act of war."

TR> DC> But, the conditions were ripe for such abuses.  Undertrained
TR> DC> troops were thrown into unfamiliar situations.  US troops
TR> DC> are fighting a guerilla war in a country where they are
TR> DC> unwanted interlopers.

TR>You're talkin' through yer hat, here! You take a person who's a
TR>civilian, put them through Boot Camp.....teach them all manner of
TR>ways to kill people, hurt people, fight against people who are trying
TR>to kill them...put them in a war, and suddenly.......you're
TR>absolutely surprised that they kill people! Hurt people! And even
TR>more surprised when sometimes.....they abuse people in their custody!

Especially when, (according to the wife of one of the Marines in that 
company accused of the massacre in Haditha,) they are going out on 
patrol drunk off their ass, or stoned on both illegal and legal drugs.

TR> DC> The tragedies of the Viet Nam era are being repeated.

TR>Oh get real! Probably one of the stupidest things about this entire
TR>discussion, over all echoes it takes place, is that stupid-assed
TR>*just like Vietnam* macro.

Hmmm...My Lai...Haditha...only difference so far is in the numbers.

BTW, how many are in jail for the murders and rapes at My Lai?

TR>If you people want to `surrender'.....you'll find yourselves in the
TR>minority.

We're not talking about "surrender."

We're talking about actually doing the right thing, not the right-wing 
thing, which is to create strawmen, accuse critics of "disloyalty," 
"treason," "anti-Americanism," or "Al-Queda sympathies," all to avoid 
the real issues of corruption and cronyism from the Bush White House on 
down.

From Archae's Roost, Sheboygan, WI

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